this post was submitted on 15 Dec 2023
1177 points (84.2% liked)
Fuck Cars
9685 readers
1250 users here now
A place to discuss problems of car centric infrastructure or how it hurts us all. Let's explore the bad world of Cars!
Rules
1. Be Civil
You may not agree on ideas, but please do not be needlessly rude or insulting to other people in this community.
2. No hate speech
Don't discriminate or disparage people on the basis of sex, gender, race, ethnicity, nationality, religion, or sexuality.
3. Don't harass people
Don't follow people you disagree with into multiple threads or into PMs to insult, disparage, or otherwise attack them. And certainly don't doxx any non-public figures.
4. Stay on topic
This community is about cars, their externalities in society, car-dependency, and solutions to these.
5. No reposts
Do not repost content that has already been posted in this community.
Moderator discretion will be used to judge reports with regard to the above rules.
Posting Guidelines
In the absence of a flair system on lemmy yet, let’s try to make it easier to scan through posts by type in here by using tags:
- [meta] for discussions/suggestions about this community itself
- [article] for news articles
- [blog] for any blog-style content
- [video] for video resources
- [academic] for academic studies and sources
- [discussion] for text post questions, rants, and/or discussions
- [meme] for memes
- [image] for any non-meme images
- [misc] for anything that doesn’t fall cleanly into any of the other categories
Recommended communities:
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
Nah, neither our bloodiest nor to secure oil. Much more to do with neocon dickwaving imagining that they could impose their will on long-standing enemies, and a desire to feed the military-industrial complex and get some graft in as well.
In any case, I ask myself "What the fuck" when I see these monstrosities too. Luckily, they're not that common. I imagine they'll go the way of the Hummer in a few years. Just another form of conspicuous consumption.
they're common enough to be mass produced.
Mass produced for the commercial market. F-650s aren’t meant for Bubba to show off to his friends, they’re meant for hauling freight, being tow trucks and dump trucks.
I mean, bulldozers are mass produced too, but that doesn't mean people are driving them around too often.
It's a commercial vehicle base for use with ambulances, mid size freight shipping, or heavy utility vehicles like power company repair vehicles.
This is something like a $250,000 truck.
Sure, but in a nation of some 333 million a lot of stupid things are common enough to be mass produced.
They have some legitimate uses, mind, but most purchasers are just dickwaving.
Yeah and this Is what I'm not getting. Not the existence, but normal, non commercial people buying it. The wastefullness is so insane.
There’s such a small number of these being purchased by non-commercial drivers that it’s insignificant
Yeah totally. I mean EVs aren't better right? The idea of producing a low emmissions efficient small car is not in any consumers mind. Oh people want EVs? Sure, lets give them an electric HUMMER or a cold rolled box of steel which slices pedestrians like a blade. I don't get, that people look at this and like it.
The common thought on this, as i understand it, is twofold:
Most people in the US have already purchased their last ICE vehicle, and are either going to drive it until the wheels fall off, or until the 3rd gen BEVs are out.
I would argue the gulf war was fought over oil.
Eh, I'd say that's really roundabout, as the First Gulf War started because Saddam wanted to seize Kuwait's oil, and the US regarded Saddam gaining a massive influx of resources at the expense of the conquest of another country as undesirable, especially given the triumphalism of the early 90s. So in that sense, you could say it was to secure oil, but that's a bit roundabout, and the First Gulf War wasn't particularly bloody.
When you go to war to secure oil, you fight.... for oil. Maybe not bloody, but invading another country to keep oil prices low so stuff like this can exist....
But... we didn't invade Iraq in the First Gulf War. That was the whole point of the First Gulf War. We stopped our advance in a matter of hours after pushing over the border because the whole point was to defend Kuwait at Kuwait's request, and with the approval of the international community, including our traditional rivals.
I'm not arguing about war at 2 am in the morning.
That's fine.