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Apple partly halts Beeper’s iMessage app again, suggesting a long fight ahead (arstechnica.com)
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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Its just the silliest things. I would love for these people to be strapped into a chair, forcibly made to download Signal and open account, and be like "Oh, deng it Buck, its really not such a big fucking deal that I was bitching about nothing in relation to"

Do it to everyone who refuses out of non-principle and suddenly, the bullshit excuse ("but but nobody's on it") evaporates

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

I used Signal since it was called TextSecure and I don't think I ever successfully got another person using it.
Eventually uninstalled it because it was just largely useless, anytime I messaged a friend who seemed to be using it they were more confused than anything.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Are they simple? Like whats to be confused about? Its literally a fact its no more complicated than Whatsapp, what say you now (assuming we're all still operating in good faith)

People who make extraordinar(ily)y silly claims like "Signal is HARD 😢", I don't think anyone can help them

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I'd argue that Signal is the cleanest and simplest messaging platform out there

If anything, the complicated thing might be that the data is stored locally on your device, so you need to take extra steps to back up the data

But every platform has some small quirks to learn. People figure out how to adjust to all the other "big" platforms because they want to use them. It's not that Signal or Fediverse is harder, some people will use it as an excuse to feel justified in not switching

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

Ya its annoying how sometimes, people need to be "made" to see 👀

[–] snowe 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No one I know uses WhatsApp either (thank fuck). No one wants to download another app that now they have to juggle between different sets of people. I’m a software dev and even I hate all this nonsense of ten different messaging apps. On any given day I might use slack, discord, Zulip, Google messages, imessage, and matrix. Two is too many, this is just ridiculous. Absolutely no one in America wants to be using this many apps to communicate. Which is why most people just use the default.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

Yeah, but I enjoy even less the notion that there are mutliple other little buddies and partners listening in and parsing/mining my conversations

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Last I checked, Signal still hasn't fixed their giant UX problem, which is that when you first install the app, it announces you to other Signal users on your contact list. This makes it completely unusable for anybody who actually needs, you know, a secure messenger (like a domestic abuse victim).

I mean I use Signal every day and I love it. But it irks me that they're like "Oh we're super secure. Unless you're trying to get help from your abusive husband, in which case, guess what, we just snitched on you to your abusive husband! Good luck with that!"

[–] snowe 1 points 11 months ago

Same for me. Was never able to get literally a single other person using it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Or, a step further, since the original Beeper is a Matrix server with various open source messaging bridges slapped on it, with a fancy client interface... Why not just fucking use a Matrix server with those bridges set up? Or even set up your own Matrix server and iMessage bridge?

Beeper is literally paying people to set up open sources services for you. I'm not against this, it's a good business model, but Beeper has obviously put the cart before the horse here.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Its just not sustainable, any relation to closed fundamentally insecure "services" like iMessage. iMessage is dogshit, always has been, never won't not be

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Never won't not be

Triple negative. Nice!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

That isn't not how I do 🤣

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Signal is just another walled garden silo with no real value over WhatsApp just owned by a different organization. I won't use anything which is not XMPP compatible.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

A wholly different organization; non-profit actually. And it is open source. Those are pretty big advantages over WhatsApp. I’m pro xmpp, but Signal is an improvement over WhatsApp.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Fair enough. Wanna share actual alternatives?