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Man, I don't know what right wingers y'all are talking about.
I come from a super right wing family and all them MFs think this is a bad idea too (though to be fair, they're def on the conspiracy theory "everything is to get a microchip in my blood/brain" side of things).
Well someone is gargling elons cock, and it's not lefties. So you figure out the math and that's who they're talking about.
"centrists"
Is a centrist anyone who says "I'm not into politics but (right wing propaganda)" because that's unironically been my experience so far.
Yup
I'm not into politics, but I think everyone should deserve human rights regardless of race, gender or sexuality.
And I'm a centrist. Fuck you guys who only pick and choose specific examples to paint us as right wingers.
If that's the only issue you vote on, then you've never voted for a republican, but I don't think that's the case.
And I've never voted Republican lmao.
Depends. I'm centrist but a bit left-leaning and I fucking hate Musk.
O am not personally affiliated with any party but will be voting Democrat, as it seems, for the rest of my time here.
That and anyone who explains to the left that they too would like a better nominee, but we can figure that out after this crucial election cycle...during every election cycle for their entire life, which are the only times they discuss politics.
Oh look, wildly left wing people deriding centrists as far right. Weird.
Nobody said anything about FAR right. In fact, you're the one who's characterizing people as extremists for disagreeing with you, a typical centrist move.
Nice try. Go be facetious somewhere else.
Nah, I'm fine right here. You can go be devoid of ideals elsewhere.
Fucking liar and stupid too
Yeah, you are. Another couple of traits common amongst centrists.
You deserve to live under communism.
Aww, that's adorable, but that's not the burn you think it is lol.
If anyone ever actually achieved communism, it would be much better than most if not all government forms tried so far. Alas, that'll probably never happen as it seems to inevitably turn into a hyperauthoritarian and unequal oligarchy.
Thanks for wishing the real thing on me even though I pointed out your centrist shortcomings, though!
Oh look "it wasn't real communism". Moron
It literally wasn't. Do you always believe authoritarian rulers when they self-describe how they govern?
Bottom line is that communism is by definition the rule of everyone, not an authoritarian one party system.
Dude, you haven't even read the theory papers behind the system you're promoting, you just made that very, very clear and I bet you don't even know why.
Compared to any other western country, American centrists are far right. Republicans are off the map.
Sometimes people make it really plain they've never travelled.
I suppose my instinctive reaction isn't to assume someone's politics would determine how they react to Musk.
My first real assumption would be that tech/engineering types are the only ones who'd really think about him at all (in both directions). Like, I do have an uncle who occasionally brings him up whenever theirs news on SpaceX's rockets (though usually this gets brought up in the context of "new technology sucks" and "what was wrong with the rockets that carried up Voyager" and such).
So yeah, I really don't think I'd describe anyone as "gargling Elon's cock" except those who still have good will for Tesla.
I come from a super-right wing family too (but from Europe) and they really are in love Elon because it's like "a dog being out of control" in the billionaire group, the one who is brave enough to go against the rules, defying the "cancel culture" and the unidirectional thinking imposed by political correctness.
I just vomited a bit in my mouth
Obviously I don't approve of any of it, let it be clear... Lemmy for me is a sort of "therapy group" where I find relief from that toxic environment.
Yeah, I hate how toxic just politics in general get. Like, it feels like any time anything political gets brought up, everyone leaves their good will and sense of humanity at the door, ya know?
I do enjoy how much tech-focused content is on Lemmy, but it also feels like there's a higher concentration of toxic leftist type posts.
That's definitely a thing I miss about the good ol' reddit days: being able to scroll for days without seeing anything political. Or rather - being able to filter out all the political subs and not feeling like you were missing out on the larger conversation on the platform.
Unfortunately, everything is political, and this has always been true, and will never not be, as long as humans exist. If you were able to ignore politics, it just means you were unaware of them, likely because they weren't hurting you or anyone you cared about. The uptick in "toxic" posts in the last decade is because more people are in danger now, and are highly aware of it, and more people are actively dangerous, and are stirring the pot. It didn't get more political, it got more dangerous.
That's interesting to hear. I wouldn't have expected Europeans would have thought about ol' Elon that much.
In general I would argue that he has a good reputation, due to good marketing mostly. A great lot of people see him as some sort of "illuminated visionary" who fosters innovation for the Good™ and will save humanity with SpaceX, Tesla, etc. [I don't agree personally to any of it but that's another story].
Ugh, yeah, I don't hate the guy, but I also think that anyone who still thinks he's a visionary hasn't actually been paying attention to his work/how his companies are going lately.
Ah, yes. Because Elon is clearly the only billionaire who is a conservative.
Honestly I haven't heard any of my right wing coworkers etc... talk about this particular company, but I have heard a lot of elon worship from them. IE I hear a lot of them talk about how he's gone so pro free speach with twitter. (and they tend to ignore me when I point out that he's censoring every bit as much as the old twitter, he's just nicer to the nazis and less nice to the left.
Ugh, yeah, that is a point of frustration I have with the family.
For them, it's not so much "look what Musk is doing" so much as "look at how much better Twitter's gotten", which is particularly ripe cause none of them even use the platform. As I think on it, that probably means the big Fox talking heads are saying things like that.
I never got into Twitter myself (just never really understood / took to the format), which is kind of a shame cause I'd really like to be supporting Mastodon in this years surgance of the Fediverse.
every vocal right winger i hear hates this idea
But do they hate the guy? As much as Bill Gates?
It's like when Trump shat on veterans and the rightwingers didn't care.
no. i suppose you are correct. from what i see they may think he is incompetent, but not evil like bill microsoft gates
So I guess Faux News is no longer vocally right wing? 🙄