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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (4 children)

His TOS ending deserves to be retconned

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This quote is literally saying to not do that.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

Yeah, I'm reminded of one of the things the Emissary himself tried to explain to the Prophets. In this case, however, the past experience guiding Pike's choices in the present is already in the future...

Prophet - OPS OFFICER: You have no regard for the consequences of your acts.

SISKO: That's not true. We're aware that every choice we make has a consequence.

Prophet - CAPTAIN: But you claim you do not know what it will be.

SISKO: We don't.

Prophet - JAKE: Then how can you take responsibility for your actions?

Sisko: We use past experiences to help guide us. For Jennifer and me, all the experiences in our lives prepared us for the day we met on the beach, helped us recognize that we had a future together. When we married, we accepted all the consequences of that act, whatever they might be, including the consequences of you.

Cited from: http://www.chakoteya.net/DS9/401.htm

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The entire point of the season 1 finale is that if Pike's fate gets retconned it'll turn out very, very poorly. If Pike doesn't end up the way he did in TOS, it means he doesn't vacate the captain's chair on the Enterprise, and when the events of Balance of Terror happens, Pike's inclination towards compromise and peaceful negotiations leads the Romulan empire to conclude that the Federation is weak and declare war, causing the death of millions. Future!Pike even says at the end "every timeline where you don't end up in that accident ends up with something horrible happening, and someone else taking your place."

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

By my accounting Pike has four chances to walk away from his fate. Chronologically:

  1. The very scene this quote is from in Discovery, where Tenavik gives him the option to take the time crystal or walk away from his bad future. He chooses the former, but to downplay his decision a little it was his personal future versus everyone's bad Skynet future.
  2. Lift Us gives us the Majalans, whose medical tech is a "maybe" for fixing Pike while keeping the timeline intact. Pike walks away (from Omelas) because he can't abide by how their society works.
  3. Quality of Mercy gives us Future Pike and subtle hints that the Romulan War has been going on about 20 years. That plus offloading his suffering to Spock makes Pike stop trying to tinker with the timeline.
  4. TOS' The Menagerie of course, gives us the Talosians, who have mellowed out a bit from their original appearance and offer Pike a mental paradise with Vina, who they're also helping. Aside from a spot of insubordination on Spock's part, there's nothing wrong here so it becomes the good ending of his story.

Basically it's a story of principles. He won't let others suffer for his personal comfort, and even tells Spock (via beep chair) not to risk his career for him.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

You want to deny him the planet of eternal pleasure and delights?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

The hilarious thing is, TOS already reconned it.