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"No one is suggesting the persecution of anything. And the ban is just for public places. If a man wants to adore another man, they can do it at home, but those homosexuals dont get to dictate how others should act."
You see how problematic this can get with just a few words swapped? It's almost like it's difficult to police other people's beliefs, and once you do it kinda leaves the door open for others people with other beliefs to do the same...
Being homosexual is not a belief, we exist, and so we deserve rights.
Religion is a belief, the things that religion teaches are based on stories that one can decide to belive or not.
Right, but laws aren't based on reality. They are based on what people believe is reality.
I whole heartedly agree that homosexuality isn't a belief, and that they deserve rights....... But there are plenty of people who don't, and those people have the ability to pass laws.
If progressive people started policing metaphysical ideas like religion, conservatives are going to start policing things based on their metaphysical understanding of their shared reality.
Just because something isn't real doesn't mean you can't legislate it to be legally true. America has a long history of basing laws on nothing but hate and fear mongering.
But that's exactly why religion should be banned from politics, literally you explained why.
And how would we realistically go about doing that?
The problem is that there is no way to realistically separate religious perspectives from religious people. Their beliefs are inseparable from what they believe to be the foundation of our shared reality.
Legality and reality are not the same thing, the reality that the government enforces isn't decided by scientists or our greatest thinkers. It is argued by lawyers, decided by judges, and enforced by the police.
I would love for our legal and political bodies to be regulated by sane and logical people, but that's never been the case. If we start putting limitations on things that these people believe to be inherently true, they will retaliate by attacking people they already have a prejudice against.
One example is same sex couples. There is absolutely no reason for them to not have the same rights as opposite sex couples other than religion.
Literally there are many aspects that were/are the way they are because of religion.
I'm not rebutting that, I'm rebutting the claim that banning religious expression now would fix it.
The whole point of the converstation is to ban religion from political decisions, which yes, it would fix that.