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Are you serious? They want the complete destruction of Israel. Have you never read anything Hamas has put out?
I think they might mean "want in an immediate sense". Even Hamas isn't deluded enough to think that they're capable of destroying Israel at this moment.
No, but they knew exactly what the Israeli reaction would be, and that said reaction would end up providing a wave of freshly minted fighters.
Yeah, but I mean, what is their goal now? Like, in the next few months kind of immediate, the kind of immediate that would cause them to accept a truce? Freshly minted fighters don't mean much if Israel gets away with ethnic cleansing, after all.
Goal now is to get Israel to withdraw and use hostages to extract concessions including the release of kidnapped Palestinians in Israeli jails and humanitarian aid for beleaguered civilians. The military hostages are probably the highest value from a negotiation standpoint and will be kept the longest.
Rebuild all of their terror infrastructure and plan the next murder/rape/kidnapping of Israeli citizens.
I would bet the fights will continue after. Also, Israel has not done ethnic cleansing in Gaza.
Edit: Though I agree that in certain cases (e.g. 1948), they didn't deal either with the situation well
There's a handful of people that really don't want to acknowledge that
And these 150 prisoners are Hamas terrorists that will be exchanged for 50 innocent civilians.
So hamas will have more terrorists on their side to fan the flames for Netinyahu’s next response.
They're Palestinian women and children, not terrorists. It's a trade of innocents for innocents
13 women mostly convicted of stabbings.
Edit: 33 women are on the list of 300 total, I counted the Hebrew source material myself. 15+ is of those with stabbing charges and convictions or general attempted murder.
Overwhelming majority of minors did fucked up shit.
https://www.gov.il/he/Departments/DynamicCollectors/is-db?skip=0
https://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-just-convicted-of-stabbing-her-neighbor-may-be-freed-in-hamas-deal/
OK, terrorist. Attempting murder is bad.
They picked this set because Hamas asked for this set. The actual convicted murders weren't allowed to be released.
There's no hostages in Israel, there's people being processed by the courts. If you think the wait times are bad go check out Japan and claim they have hostages, or the US prison system with constitutional slave labor and barely any public defenders with the largest per capita prison pop in the world.
There's something like 50 women total held.
All of these people get charged there's a reason almost no one on the list is there for more than 2 years without being tried in civil court. The military tribunal cases convert over when they get processed. They were charged and their charges are listed in the database.
I mean if anti settler violence is terrorism then yea I wholeheartedly support terrorism. Settlers should not be there.
Also idc who does it. If someone is held without charges in prison, they've been taken hostage by the state.
They are terrorists.
Israel didn’t kidnap them for no reason. Unlike what Hamas does.
Go vote for Trump and believe in fake news.
The over a thousand people held without charges would disagree with you. Are trusted human rights organizations fake news now?
I read the 2017 charter where Hamas says they will accept a 2 state solution
Do you mean this part:
Or perhaps this part:
Oh wait, there's more:
They define "Palestinian soil" earlier:
They have only 1 segment that even hints that they might accept a 2 state solution:
Which is pretty hard to take at face as an acceptance of a two state solution when it literally says in the sentence before that that they reject any alternative other than "from the river to the sea" and in the sentence after completely reject the Oslo accords.
Can you share a link? I've been looking for source documents like this.
Their 2017 Charter in English, translated and published by Hamas.
Their 1988 Charter is far more violent and basically lays out plans for an Islamic State in the region.
Thanks muchly
Thank you my dude. These peeps are getting brainwashed by theocratic thugs. It's unreal how lefties are falling for this.
Yes Israel paints them as Nazi Isis but it's more accurate to view them as the Viet Cong. They are fighting an anti colonial war.
This is so dumb and reductive, though.
First, that goal is like trying to drink the ocean. It's obviously impossible, so it's not useful as an indicator for what they'll agree to.
Second, we hear this over and over, but the only citation is their founding document over thirty years ago. And in 2006 they went through a moderate rebrand, and then a lot of people in the org died, and Sinwar spent two decades in Israeli prison, so... that doesn't really tell us where they're at in this moment.
Folks act like they're orcs. Just mindlessly evil. They're definitely completely ruthless, but the stuff they do isn't that different from what the IRA did, and they still made peace. So what does Sinwar want? Has anyone thought to ask?
Try this reporting for motives of Sinwar. It's a good listen.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/14/podcasts/the-daily/hamas-israel.html
Thanks. I'm excited to hear it.