Men's Liberation
This community is first and foremost a feminist community for men and masc people, but it is also a place to talk about men’s issues with a particular focus on intersectionality.
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Non-masculine perspectives are incredibly important in making sure that the lived experiences of others are present in discussions on masculinity, but please remember that this is a space to discuss issues pertaining to men and masc individuals. Be kind, open-minded, and take care that you aren't talking over men expressing their own lived experiences.
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Recommended Reading
- The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love by bell hooks
- Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements by Michael Messner
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I feel like the same story and message could have been conveyed in a single comic strip.
I think you overestimate how open minded the average person is. People are quick to reject an argument when it doesn't conform to their world views. This comic is long because it tries to address most doubts about it. It's slow to get to the point to avoid triggering the visceral reaction some people have to feminist theories.
Although I agree that a tldr would be nice.
Nobody who is not open minded is going to read long ass comic, that is contradicting their world view. Seems like preaching to the choir type of situation to me, makes the artis feel good but misses the audience that would profit from the message.
I think there are a good amount of people who are on the fence who would be persuaded by the detailed argument in this comic. The thing that the author is trying to convince people of is subtle and invisible to most people.
How do you tell people that this invisible thing exists and that they might be the one perpetuating it without putting them off?
It's like asking your well meaning friends not to use 'retarded' as an insult. Sure, they aren't saying this to hurt disabled people, but they are unaware that it does. The best way to change their minds isn't by saying 'you're offensive' and decry their character. It's by slowly and gently telling them that you know they don't mean to, but this thing that they say hurts people.
I'm not saying that we need to walk on eggshells around every offensive person, I'm saying that slow drawn out explanations without directly criticizing people is what works.
I can see that point, thank you. I was more thinking about people being totally opposed, but yeah - for someone on the fence who is genuinely looking into the Argument that would be indeed a very nice comic.
I feel like you comment and sentiment could have been conveyed in a single emoji
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Fair point.