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The virtual school says its hands are tied due to Florida's "don't say gay" law. However, the teacher has lodged a complaint against it.

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[–] [email protected] 219 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

“I was told that professor was not okay, Dr. was not okay for me because I didn’t have a Ph.D., but there are lots of people at FLVS who do use Dr., which, coincidentally, is also in violation of the same law I got disciplined for,” Vary said. They were told the other acceptable courtesy titles were Mrs., Ms., or Miss. Using "teacher" was also out of the question.“

“We’re going to refuse every attempt at compromise, and force you to choose between abandoning your principles or your career. Why? Because we’re bastards. Fuck you.”

Serious question, though: how does one pronounce Mx.?

[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Teacher should 100% be an option

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Or get rid of these titles altogether, they don't serve much of a purpose and I stopped using them a long time ago.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

What if some people prefer to use them them? That seems counterproductive if you respect how people want to be referred.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No why would we force or encourage other people to NOT use their preferred titles. If there are no practical downsides, just let people do what they want.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The thread shows there are downsides.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’ve skimmed the thread and I don’t see any compelling reasons. Could you cite some?

I am 100% supportive of trans rights, but using precious political will, energy and attention to pressure non trans people to stop using gendered titles is a hugely divisive distraction.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That the thread exists shows that there are downsides (to expand upon what I meant). I would say my perspective is that if you remove the barriers we have imposed upon ourselves, there is less to divide. Removal of gendered labelling for bathrooms, and making Mr/Ms/Miss/Mrs (which is inherently biased against women) obsolete would allow for names to take precedence instead of your 'status'.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The existence of the thread is not an argument. Thats just intellectually dishonest. You wouldn’t tolerate such lazy argumentation from someone who says that they want to impose gendered titles, and the existence of a thread discussing it is “proof” enough.

You’ve now provided a different argument: you claim it removes divisions. Except this is very divisive. Just leave people alone: let people use their gendered titles, and let others not use them!

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How so? Someone was fired over their usage of Mx. How is removing gendered titles divisive?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You think that the answer to not allowing someone to use their preferred title is to not allow someone to use their preferred title?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Using neutral language, yes, like neutral bathrooms. The title is a way to be neither, and no title achieves the same result.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So, then you don't support using preferred gendered affirming pronouns.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So you support gender affirming pronouns, just not gender affirming titles. Makes sense.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Usage of 'they' has proliferated to the extent that most people seem to grasp its usage.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

OK?

Most people have always grasped its usage because it has always been used. That's usually something that has to be explained to bigots.

But that isn't the same thing as respecting the usage of personal preferences for gendered pronouns and titles. Which is also something that has to be explained to bigots. And that is what this thread is about.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I dunno. The proposition to nullify peoples preferences seems counterproductive. Frankly, it feels similar to the authoritarian approach taken in the article.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't know, feels kinda weird if my kids were calling their teacher by their first name. I don't have a powerful argument to back this up I admit. Guess it really doesn't matter so it is just a preference on my part.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

'Teacher' is what I am referred to as, or 'profe', depending on the school/student/background.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The idea to me is to show humility and respect to someone wiser than yourself. However, I think the ultimate show of respect would be to simply listen and to iterate that you have listened rather than giving someone a potential ego trip.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's also something to be said about knowing their name. In grade school I knew my teachers last names at least because I called them Mr/Ms whatever. In university they were just "Professor" and I forgot most of their names.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

For sure. Here we never brought up the teacher's first name unless another kid asked midclass.

I learned one teacher's name in gradeschool that way and tried it - just doing it made me uncomfortable so I didn't do it again lol.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I use it and pronounce it like “Mix”

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There has to be someone with the last name of Tape using this somewhere right.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago
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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

the term you're looking for is "schwa" or ə

it's the neutral vowel sound that marks an unstressed syllable.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I always pronounced it with a soft x like ‘Mish’

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We’re going to refuse every attempt at compromise, and force you to choose between abandoning your principles or your career.

Remembers me of something we've already heard, at least in EU, a couple of years ago.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Huh. What? Maybe it’s stuck in my subconscious. I don’t remember it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

That exactly without the ter

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Mixter and Mixus, much like theydies and gentlethem.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Doesn't MX also stand for motocross? Like XC for crosscountry?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Motocross Frizzle kinda suits Ms. Frizzle

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I wonder how much pain and misery she put her better half through. Someone just wants to live their life without being shrunk down or going to Venus every weekend.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Mix, like a mix of genders.