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Antiwork

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A community for those who want to end work, are curious about ending work, want to get the most out of a work-free life, want more information on anti-work ideas and want personal help with their own jobs/work-related struggles.

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This server is no longer working, and we had to move.

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Date Created: June 21, 2023

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Start here! These are probably the most talked-about essays on the topic.

c/Antiwork Rules

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1. Server Main Rules

The main rules of the server will be enforced stringently. https://lemmy.world/

2. No spam or reposts + limit off topic comments

Spamming posts will be removed. Reposts will be removed with the exception of a repost becoming the main hub for discussion on that topic.

Off topic comments that do not pertain to the post at hand may be removed if it is deemed they contribute nothing and/or foster hostility at users. This mostly applies to political and religious debate, but can be applied to other things at the mod’s discretion.

3. Post must have Antiwork/ Work Reform explicitly involved

Post must have Antiwork/Work Reform explicitly involved in some capacity. This can be talking about antiwork, work reform, laws, and ext.

4. Educate don’t attack

No mocking, demeaning, flamebaiting, purposeful antagonizing, trolling, hateful language, false accusation or allegation, or backseat moderating is allowed. Don’t resort to ad hominem attacks against another user or insult other people, examples of violations would be going after the person rather than the stance they take.

If we feel the comment is uncalled for we will remove it. Stay civil and there won’t be problems.

5. No Advertising

Under no circumstance are you allowed to promote or advertise any product or service

6. No factually misleading informationContent that makes claims or implications that can be proven false or misleading will be removed.

7. Headlines

If the title of the post isn’t an original title of the article then the first thing in the body of the post should be an original title written in this format “Original title: {title here}”.

8. Staff Discretion

Staff can take disciplinary action on offenses not listed in the rules when a community member's actions or general conduct creates a negative experience for another player and/or the community.

It is impossible to list every example or variation of the rules. It is also impossible to word everything perfectly. Players are expected to understand the intent of the rules and not attempt to "toe the line" or use loopholes to get around the intent of the rule.


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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Except some skills are much harder to learn and some skills are much more valuable to society than others. I would argue the hard to learn, more valuable to society ones are "better". I don't think the people performing them are better or worse, but it's fair to elevate and celebrate certain jobs over others.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Some skills are associated with greater barrier to acquisition, or are considered as higher in social value, but both attributes are inherently nebulous and overall unquantifiable.

Characterizing certain skills as better, though, based on such comparisons, even if, for the sake or argument, the validity of such comparisons were conceded, is simply a subjective appeal without any meaning deeper than personal preference or bald assertion.

Within the current system of labor organization, by which labor is commodified within the relations between worker and business, labor is valorized not by value to society, with every member of society participating equally in resolving a value for each kind of labor, but rather by the value of workers' labor toward business interests captured beneath the profit motive, that is, value expressly to the owners of business.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

My man, this is not an argument for or against capitalism.

If two skills are of relatively close societal value, and one is harder to do, learn and master, that craft deserves more respect.

This is not a reflection of any individual.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Society is not uniform or monolithic. Society has structure, including various relations based on interests that may be shared or antagonist.

Social value is not intrinsic to skill, nor to any other target of valorization, but rather determined from processes of valorization bound to the surrounding social systems.

It is unequivocal that our society valorizes labor not for benefit shared generally across the public, but specifically for its value to private business.

It is also questionable that a skill itself may carry a demand for respect that is separable from respect as understood by having a personal target.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You sound like a drunk person at a party arguing with the wall.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Between us, I am the only attempting to provide a meaningful contribution.

If you have one of your own, please offer it. Otherwise, stop making noise.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Skill set should not be a qualifier for a living wage, period.

So, there's no reason to deny reality with regard to skill. It's not a constructive contribution. It's just noise, as you say.

Waxing on philosophic, while bending descriptions and definitions, in order to suit your ill-conceived concept of skill is unhelpful.

It removes the agency and accomplishments of workers. It is unneeded, insulting, and counterproductive.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Workers' agency already has been removed.

Their accomplishments already are being plundered.

Otherwise, the discussion would not be occurring, and the conditions from which it emerged would be only fictional.

I am interested in criticizing the systems that have produced the disempowerment, and in building new systems that empower everyone.

You are interested on avoiding criticisms of the systems in which problems are occurring, denying the deeper structure of such systems, fatuously asserting their benevolence, and obstructing possibilities for transformation.

Your accusation about denying reality is dishonest.

You live beneath particular social systems sustained by ideals of a particular historic period, and refuse to see further, while deriding anyone even for trying.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You assume much and know very little. I'm not interested in your unfounded accusations and bad faith arguments. Goodbye.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago