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Rich People Are the Big Barrier to Stabilizing the Climate (newrepublic.com)
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Sorry, I just don’t agree that the private jets should stay.

I didn't say they should! What I said is that we've got way more important things to worry about, and getting hung up on minutiae like that could be counterproductive.

I’m glad you’re part of that 10% you’ve been bragging about so hard

You think that's bragging?! You've missed the point so hard I'm not even sure how to respond to that.

My income isn't high and never has been (my household has rarely even hit the US median). My wealth is only relatively high for my age because I'm extremely frugal. And that's also not a brag -- that's just me giving the context to explain that when I say even I'm part of the problem, I mean damn near EVERY-FUCKING-BODY in America is part of the problem! I don't care how poor you think you are; on a global scale you're dead wrong.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The focus should be on industry, fabrication, production, and energy generation. That's the largest impact you can have.

Regulating people's lives, especially people who already feel pressed upon given their contextual poverty/inequality is not how anything is going to happen. In fact, you'll probably be exactly where we are now: mostly no one giving a shit or doing anything about it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The focus should be on ending the suburban American car-centric lifestyle. That's what's fucking up the planet, whether you want to admit it or not.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You focus on carbon and energy reduction of the sectors I mentioned in my previous comment. You don't stop this by telling Jane from Oswego to stop buying plastic novelty straws. You stop this by disincentivizing the production of plastic novelty straws as a whole. This is an issue of overproduction as much as it's an issue of overconsumption.

Individual people are not the vector that will subvert this crisis, unfortunately.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

WTF do plastic straws have to do with anything? I'm talking about doing things like changing the zoning code.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Plastic straws are a stand in for commodity goods.