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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Do you have a source for the claim Europeans spend more than people in the US per capita on healthcare?

Every source I've ever read the US has twice per capital spending and worse health outcomes in many areas.

https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2023/07/how-does-the-us-healthcare-system-compare-to-other-countries

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I didn't say it was more? I said that a less than stellar source said that the average percentage of a European's income that goes to taxes for healthcare was roughly the same as the median percentage of an American's income.

Per Capita would be total expenditure divided by number of people. I'm saying (US) average healthcare costs/average income vs (Europe) amount of taxes for healthcare/average income.

I used this Quora page (https://www.quora.com/What-percent-of-their-income-do-Europeans-for-various-countries-spend-on-the-cost-of-health-care-versus-Americans-Assume-average-cases-Which-is-a-better-deal) for the answers about European healthcare. It's not an ideal source, but it's kind of a pain to get the specific answer I'm asking for.

I used this source (https://www.statista.com/statistics/631987/percent-of-income-spent-on-health-plan-by-us-employees/) for a the Percentage of median income spent on premium contribution and deductibles in the US. Again, not a stellar source, but close enough to show it's not stupidly different for most people.

I made this post at 3 am on my phone, if you have feedback on these articles or better sources I'd be curious to see them.