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Since October 7, more than 3,257 children have been reported killed, including at least 3,195 in Gaza, 33 in the West Bank, and 29 in Israel, according to the Ministries of Health in Gaza and Israel respectively. The number of children reported killed in just three weeks in Gaza is more than the number killed in armed conflict globally – across more than 20 countries – over the course of a whole year, for the last three years.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So could you clarify your point:

  1. "kill every kid that's holding a gun, no matter the age", or
  2. kill kids between 16-18 as long as they hold a gun I am really curious.

And while at it, could you please clarify the morality of killing kids in their beds by bombing the houses they are living in? Or we should just preemptively kill any kid as they might turn into future terrorists.

Oh and by the way, I am pretty sure the Palestinian population are viewing the Israelian as terrorists and Hamas as liberators the same way you see Palestinians and IDF. So the terrorist designation all depends on the point of view and who's in charge.

Not defending Hamas, giving you just some food for thought maybe and if you disagree with this statement, could you provide me a definition of a terrorist and try to apply it through the eye of the regular Gazan.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I really couldn't say in this case, and I'm very happy that I'm not the one that has to make this choice . Quite a few soldiers in conflict areas lost their lives because they couldn't either.

And while at it, could you please clarify the morality of killing kids in their beds by bombing the houses they are living in?

Read my first sentence in the original message.

So the terrorist designation all depends on the point of view and who’s in charge

There's point of view and there is the international law. The legal terms is that the IDF is a country's military and as such it is expected to uphold international treaties, it is held to high standards and it receives a lot scrutiny when it goes out of line or makes mistakes. Hamas is a terror organisation and therefore none of this applies to it, but also killing its operatives is not considered murder or a war crime.

If you're asking for my personal opinion - it's about intent. Organisations that have the clear intentions to kill and hurt as many civilians as possible are clearly terrorist organisations. Internationally recognised organisations that do not and try to minimise civilians casualties are not. Everything in between is a case by case gray area.

I can't attest to what the average person in Gaza thinks, but I reckon after 20 years of Hamas rule a lot of the people are already indoctrinated and their world view, specifically regarding Jewish people, is at least somewhat detached from reality. This is clearly reflected in the pro Palestinian Arabic social media profiles.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

The terrorist designation of a group is specific to the countries calling that group a terrorist group. Most nations of the world actually do not designate Hamas as a terror group. There is still a responsibility for a state military to adhere to international laws of conflict when engaging a non-state group.