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weird (adj.)
c. 1400,
• "having power to control fate", from wierd (n.), from Old English wyrd "fate, chance, fortune; destiny; the Fates," literally "that which comes,"
• from Proto-Germanic wurthiz (cognates: Old Saxon wurd, Old High German wurt "fate," Old Norse urðr "fate, one of the three Norns"),
• from PIE wert- "to turn, to wind," (cognates: German werden, Old English weorðan "to become"),
• from root wer- (3) "to turn, bend" (see versus).
• For sense development from "turning" to "becoming," compare phrase turn into "become."
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I agree with all of this, I might not have worded it properly, but we're on the same page when it comes to intending outcomes.
Yes, I agree. A state of "just being" is more of a transitional tool, rather than a final end state. The means of getting to the state you described will vary for different people, for me personally, I've chosen the "just being" state as my means.
I'll copy the rough definition I had in the reply to Aesir:
A state of "just being" would be a state of complete non-attachment. When you're completely un-attached, contradictory intent is reduced by a large margin. Being non-attached doesn't mean being separate from your desires, but being non-attached to everything around you. You'll probably feel more content with your circumstances, regardless of what they are. And because you're content in the moment, you can intend an outcome and have it happen because the contradictory intent is very minimal.
So your final state would be one where you are in full conscious control, and by accepting your circumstances as they are, you can fully intend outcomes and have them happen. Because it's resistance that stops intentions from manifesting. Theoretically, I could intend a certain outcome and it should absolutely be able to manifest cleanly and quickly. The only thing standing in my way is resistance, that's literally the only thing that is stopping me, it's nothing more complicated than that. Eliminate resistance by accepting your circumstances (being non-attached) and your intention will manifest, obviously easier said than done of course.
Originally commented by u/Green-Moon on 2017-09-11 16:47:31 (dmui2b7)
Exactly. It's actually non-trivial to word things well when explaining magick. It takes a lot of effort and attention and practice.
Whatever floats your boat. From my POV the state I am talking about is so drastically different or even flat-out contradictory to the conventional state, that there is no overly smooth and totally gradual way of getting to it. In my experience it's a gradual process that's marked by some challenges, growth spurts, sudden breakthroughs, crushing fears followed by 10 steps back, only to later make 20 steps forward again due to a diamond-like resolve, and so on. It's not such a simple and straightforward process.
I've been harping how "all is mind" all my adult life, but my understanding has grown. It's not that I ever was wrong in the past or I said wrong things, it's just that I didn't know the half of it. I was right, but I didn't know how and why I was right as exactly as I know it today.
So even if someone understands something correctly, it doesn't mean they understand if fully. There are progressive stages of deepening that attend even the most correct understanding, provided one keeps making continual efforts and remains resolute.
I'm not against the talk of "just being" but to me it sounds very close to relaxing. I think relaxing is very necessary and is healthy, but how specifically one relaxes, the various details of that relaxation, and the ratio of relaxation to effort, and the details of effort, it all matters in the end. Too much relaxation is not very good either. I think "just being" tends to cultivate the tolerance side much more than it cultivates expressiveness, but a complete mage in my view needs both sides to be well developed.
Here tolerance means being undisturbed and basically "OK" no matter what experience is like. And expressiveness means being able to intend anything at any time, without being led by suggestive appearances. So expressiveness is helped by having a giant imagination and also by not allowing appearances to function as a metaphysical leash to one's mind (being informed by appearances, and even flowing along with the appearances is still being led by them to some extent, and it's like being leashed up by what appears).
To me an ideal state is not only just this or only just that. It's more like this: when I relax, I relax well. When I intend something to happen, I intend well. When I stay still, I stay still well. When I move, I move well. It's to be excellent in every aspect instead of cultivating this kind of floaty attitude all the time. One has to have a big range instead of cultivating a narrow range. That said, if you were habitually a busybody in your recent past, then to overcome the disease of excessive struggle and effort, as an antidote, one can cultivate "just being." But once your prior excess has been settled down, it's better to return to cultivating oneself across a broad range of attitudes instead of just sticking to one attitude of floating along.
I don't agree. On the contrary -- reject your circumstances completely. Don't accept anything. Don't even accept the sky and the Earth.
All appearances are false. Only my will is true.
Originally commented by u/mindseal on 2017-09-11 17:09:55 (dmuil0u)