weirdway

I don’t think that just seeking solitude in the normal use of the expression is the always the same as the above. There’s seeking meditative, contemplative, introspective, imaginative, alone time to cultivate or maintain wisdom. And then there’s wanting to be alone because you think masturbating is more fun than sex or solitaire is more fun than poker. Just because you are alone doesn’t mean you are going to become any wiser or better at thinking for yourself if you’re not using that solitude in productive ways. So there’s solitude for fun, and there’s solitude for wisdom (and in some individuals these may have some overlap).

But where does your idea of "wisdom" come from? Is it your own, or is it a social construct? Would you have the same idea of wisdom if you were left to think about it without the social pressure and social charm (using a magickal sense of the word "charm" here, as in, when you're "charmed" you're under someone's spell, a thrall, in this case society's thrall).

You should know what your own idea of wisdom would look like.

Secondly, wisdom and fun are not two different ends of the same spectrum. I frankly worry about people for whom wisdom and fun do not overlap. If anything, I think there is a strong positive correlation between fun and wisdom. I don't think fun is the same thing as wisdom, but certainly fun is not an antagonistic quality to wisdom.

By "fun" I refer to any experience of enjoyment, joy, bliss, release, but also ongoing well-being, a sense of rightness and competency within your own life, etc.

You could just manifest new music directly without potentially having to negotiate with unpleasant personalities in order to get their art from them.

I've done that. My point was something else. I was saying even if I am left to generate my own music, I can make myself hear better music than Bach and Mozart but it's not better by all that much. In other words, in some sense the best music of this plane is some ways already into the heavenly realm. Whereas other things are not so good. For example, I could teleport, or I could make a house that's huge inside and tiny on the outside and so on. People cannot make such things for me. I have to be the one to allow such things in my mind. Indeed, whatever people "make" is whatever I have allowed that they could make. In other words, before other people can make something I have to make way for them in my own mind. So if I made way for people to be able to contort space, they'd be able to do so eventually. I have to be the one to open that door. If you notice how physics has evolved to a more perspectival and subjective science? It's not an accident from my own POV. Of course physics cannot truly catch up to me, but it still follows me like a shadow. When I conceive of a new way of seeing things, physics follows along eventually.

So long time ago I have conceived that space can be pushed against. That's going to happen too. There are already some signs of this happening, but I have conceived of this looong before any articles like that appeared. Why have I conceived that? Because I think that's how we'll travel to other stars. I realized that spewing gas is not the way to go. Instead energy must be extracted from space itself and be used to push against the space. Then you don't have fuel constraints and you can accelerate endlessly. There will probably also be a need to phase into a different space, because you don't want to be colliding with the various debris in conventional space at high speeds. But physicists think they're just discovering whatever is "there" whereas I think I want this and that experience, now let's make it happen, and then physics come in line with whatever I actually want to be doing. On top of that if I want to make myself an exception from physics, I can do that as well. The sky's the limit.

As an aside, could you discuss what you mean by no longer needing others to think and no longer living ‘through’ others? What does it mean to think for yourself, to you?

Do you realize that any time you disagree with someone you don't actually think for yourself? That's because your disagreement is anchored to an idea someone else has expressed. So while you diverge from that idea, you're still mentally centering on the idea you're disagreeing with for so long as you're considering it in disagreement.

On top of that, it's not even that easy to move away from this even when the conditions are right. Let me explain. For example, I'll hear something on reddit and I disagree with it, then I go for a walk. So ostensibly I am lone. Then the idea comes up again and I disagree again. I think it's not even interesting and I should be thinking about something else entirely, and I do, when suddenly 5 minutes later that dumb ass idea comes up again, like it didn't go very far to begin with. And bam, I am back to thinking how I disagree with that idea and while I think that, I am not thinking about what I really wanted to think about.

So other people inside a conventional mentality (like say one of a fairly recent ex-physicalist) have a huge amount of gravity. That gravity is very deceptive because it doesn't look like much. People love to think they have figured stuff out on their own and that they think independently, but the reality is not like that. Even the so-called "independent" thinkers are hardly independent. At most they have some quasi-independent streak.

To really develop independent thinking it would help to isolate oneself at least mentally for say 6 months or better yet 5 years. 20 years is actually much better. In 20 years of reduced contact and reduced social obligations you'd start to see huge differences in how you think. You'd realize that there is absolutely no way you'd be able to think like that had you remained involved in conventional goings on. Of course I am only suggesting this to you. It's true in my experience.

When I realize what is precious to me and what has set me back, I cannot help but think 90% of what's precious to me came from my own mind, whereas 90% of what has set me back has come from someone else "out there."

In particular you must watch out for people who are very confident. They're the worst ones. And watch out for people who claim they used to be like you and then they "grew up" and whatnot. All that is poison. Naturally I even worry that even me speaking here like this is problematic for others. But at least you don't have to read this space all that much, or at all.

If I raise a finger in the air, and people see it, whether they like it or not, agree or not, their minds will be anchored to my finger, unless one of those people is an unparalleled saint with superlative self-control and beyond-conventional wisdom in full bloom.

Originally commented by u/mindseal on 2017-09-16 15:04:46 (dn2oq9j)