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I personally don't like this "one site bad" thing(in this conflict at least). Of course, in terms of killed persons Israel is the bad guy, but also the things the Hamas did are pretty fucked up. I personally came to the conclusion that both sides are bad, Israel is allowed to defense itself against this brutality but shouldn't take the opportunity to absolutely fuck Palestine again(what it sadly does). I'm not for Israel or Palestine. I'm for the civilists and human rights.
You have to look at it in terms of power dynamics though. Israel is a uS backed settler colonial apartheid regime that propped up Hamas because they would rather face Islamic fundamentalists then socialist opposition. They're either directly or indirectly responsible for all of the violence.
Only one side could hypothetically end the violence tomorrow.
Hamas having hostages isn't stopping Israel bombing hospitals and cutting off food, water, and electricity to the region. If it doesn't stop them from escalating violence why do you think it is preventing them from making concessions and ending the violence?
Here is just one strike, that basically killed half a thousand people https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/10/gaza-un-experts-decry-bombing-hospitals-and-schools-crimes-against-humanity
Israel literally warned they'd bomb the hospital twice before it was bombed, but sure.
Love to deny the crimes of an apartheid state
The fact that you believe it was hamas despite the fact that Israel said they'd bomb it twice and then it was bombed is sad. Israel has habitually bombed Gazan civilian infrastructure, hamas hasn't. And now all of a sudden Hamas has the weapons to blow up their own side's hospital when they've basically been shooting glorified bottle rockets at Israel? Sure.
Jesus do you realize how foolish you sound? Jesus you must be insufferable in real life for how ardent you are about something you are completely wrong about.
I'm not going to stoop to making ableist insults though.
Even your rhetoric admits you know you are wrong. You claim Israel didn't do it, in the next breath you say "But the damage wasn't that severe" because you know Israel did it and want to minimize it. 470 people died, hundreds are buried under rubble.
There is no way you are this dense. Again I already said it was on livestream. Everyone saw it. I’m so tired of your kind. You just lie through your teeth without even checking to see if you are saying literally anything true. What a complete knob. Do yourself a favor and actually look up what happened.
Holy fuck I refuse to believe you are real. You are actually just trolling me.
You dronies are something else. Notice how you cannot even argue with facts. You just keep pushing lies and lies without having to verify any of your claims.
Oh look more ableism. How liberal.
Ah man I can't repeat that back, you've incorporated ableism into the foundation of the comment :(
Oh god, ridicule from a misinformed zionist dronie. How will I maintain my self esteem? I have no choice but to abandon my ideology that I've spent thousands of hours developing through independent reading and book clubs because someone on the internet who supports an apartheid regime keeps calling me what they consider acceptable alternatives to the R-slur
As opposed to you, you have your eyes wide open without reading real political theory, because you're special.
You say a lot of ableist and misogynistic things when you try to play defense for a genocidal apartheid regime. You know the IDF isn't going to come to your house and give you a hug right?
Dronies gonna dronie though I guess
Oh cool homophobia too! Lovely.
Supporting a ceasefire is called being someone who cares more about human lives than nationalism. But great to know you've gotten mad to the point that you're digging through my history.
Also on your use of " they consider you subhuman": you've literally demonstrated what, 5 forms of virulent bigotry over the last 24 hours, 4 directed at me? Stay mad dronie.
Name 3 nonfiction books on the Israel Palestinian conflict that you've read.
Oh, or name 5 documentaries if you can't do the former.
Ignorant antisemitic zionist jackass, we get it, youre insecure about your piercieved intelligence.
Name 3 nonfiction books on the Israel Palestinian conflict that you’ve read.
Oh, or name 5 documentaries if you can’t do the former.
Times articles are neither documentaries nor nonfiction books. If youre getting your political education from extremist corporate media that sure explains a lot.
You still think that hamas magically got a rocket big enough to cause the explosion seen in video from multiple angles, and that this rocket was intercepted by the Iron dome, and instead of disintegrating like every rocket does when intercepted, a massive chunk complete with functional detonator flew backwards at significant speed and struck a hospital parking lot. Or is the claim that a bunch of miniscule components all drifted exactly into the hospital parking lot and all magically detonated? Now the Palestinian authority says half a thousand, US intelligence claims 100-300. Must have been a crowded parking lot. Now bear in mind the missile that is allegedly on video as the one that struck the hospital after being intercepted did disintegrate, as you can see by carefully looking at footage.
You're buying into a narrative that not only is politically nonsense, but also at points physically impossible. This is why you shouldn't develop understanding from extremist corporate media like the new York times, and should instead read some fucking books.
See I've been letting you go on about the mods thing without correcting you, but I was referring to the admin team reaching out about joining the admin team. You'll know when I've finished the onboarding process :)
Please explain to me how the hamas rocket defied the laws of physics though, do they have secret knit together in mid air technology?
Oh, sorry, the Israeli narrative keeps shifting, now I'm guessing it was fired and a chunk just fell off and flew backwards? Oh, oh, or did hamas fire a missile in the opposite direction of israel? Or did they intend to blow up a Palestinian hospital so they could blame it on the IDF?
Oh, and did they get the missile large enough to conservatively kill 100 people in a parking lot from the illuminati or from the dolphins? Because the missiles that they are capable of producing have historically had casualties of at max a dozen people.
Those "ramblings" are about as realistic as what the IDF says.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/18/middleeast/gaza-hospital-explosion-israel-wwk-explainer-intl/index.html
I guess hamas has a new deadly rocket capable of killing hundreds but they only fire it so that it crashes into Palestinian hospitals that the IDF says they will blow up.
That video literally does not contain anything related to the hospital bombing.
Also, settlers aren't civilians(every adult has even participated in the IDF) and they should stop bringing their kids with them when they go to do colonial violence, it is incredibly irresponsible of them.
Stay mad
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So do you want your temp ban recorded as ableism, McCarthyism, or Zionism? Or should I just put down all three? It'll only be for a half month because I don't want to show anti-favoritism, usually it would be 30-60 days
Okay, I'll add misogyny too. What a major loss.