425
Chat Control 2.0: EU governments set to approve the end of private messaging and secure encryption
(www.patrick-breyer.de)
this post was submitted on 14 Oct 2023
425 points (98.9% liked)
Privacy
31997 readers
1090 users here now
A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.
Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.
In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.
Some Rules
- Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn't great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post
- Don't promote proprietary software
- Try to keep things on topic
- If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered
- Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience
- Be nice :)
Related communities
Chat rooms
-
[Matrix/Element]Dead
much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
This still applies.
But what liberty is essential? Proveably secret postcards to people on the other side of the world?
That's also quite a harsh quote to bring in the context of the many hidden erosions of privacy - would you say the tick-tockers don't deserve privacy or safety because they chose that social ability over a privacy they little understand?
Essential in the sense of privacy being central to our nature. We all deserve, and indeed, need our privacy. In the USA, the 4th Amendment guarantees "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated..." without sufficient evidence of wrongdoing. Any reasonable modern interpretation of that amendment should include electronic documents and communication.
I'm not sure why you would think that I believe tick-tockers should not have privacy protection. Any app that invades the users 'privacy should be banned for the same reason that end-to-end encryption should not be banned. If Tick-Tock refuses to respect the privacy of people's non-Tick Tock communication then the app should be banned.
Yeah, I'm on board with that. Really what I was thinking about was imagining a world where internet presence is not a place where there's privacy - like if you meet a friend in public, and talk on a park bench, you can't assume no one will see you. You know that, and accept that, and adapt accordingly.
I want a world where internet communications are private and their metadata are also private, and my internet use is private... But I'm contemplating the what ifs of a different world, and how best to live in it, and how to help my children and children's children live in it. I do think fighting for better laws and protections is part of that and I'm incredibly grateful for people like the eff; but I think it's also worth thinking about how we can find ways to live in a new environment, understanding that society's rules around us don't always work in the best ways.
(On that note: you're quoting the US Constitution a matter of EU ruling...)
Just your quote, that says such people who give up some liberty don't deserve any. I suppose you didn't mean it that way but it seemed harsh.
Fair. Old Ben meant it harshly, I'm sure.
As for the internet being a public space where privacy shouldn't be assumed, I have to disagree. There is far too much activity on the net that would never be conducted in a place where there is no assumption of privacy. Clearly things like banking matters need to be private and secure, but I include in this things like romantic matters. If any government can access any data on the internet that they want they any oppressive government will do so. In addition, any opening for government will be exploited sooner or later by criminals as well.