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That's the strange thing. It's all very inconsistent.
Did you know people can just lie on the internet without proof or anything?
You mean the person I'm replying to? I'm not super concerned about the anecdote, just relating that I see some points of view there myself that are confusing.
Yes, the person you're replying to is lying. That's why they're avoiding providing any sort of proof of their outlandish claim.
It's why there needs to be tools for instance owners to remove comments for their users if they come from other instances. It's completely unreasonable to expect them to defederate the entire instance over a few problem users/comments.
That's an existing out of the box feature. Admins can remove any content on their instance, wherever it came from originally. It's just that the removal doesn't federate to other instances unless they're also a moderator of the community it was posted to
That sounds pretty useless then, if a community is diverse in terms of instance membership. Only a small portion of people will see the version of the thread without the removed content.
I mean, you pick your instance for that stuff. If you value "free" speech over the wellbeing of minorities, then you join an instance that doesn't remove stuff.
If you're on an instance like mine, that is specifically focused on being a space for vulnerable folk, then removing horrible shit, even just locally, is a big positive.
So wait, let me sure I understand this; an admin of an instance removes a comment posted to a community on their instance, but the comment is still visible to everyone outside of that instance? But a moderator can make it a 'real' removal. If that's the case why would that admin be ok with the moderators of that community not also removing that comment? If they own the servers, why do they even need a moderator to do this for them to broadly remove the comment? This seems like a very strange way for it to work.
Admin removals not federating for groups they don't moderate is important, or troll admins could just delete everything in every group simply by spinning up a throw away instance.
Admins can also make themselves mods on communities hosted on their instance.
And the reason for the distinction is that communities often have rules beyond the instance. We host 196 for example, which is incredibly busy. I have no desire to watch all of the posts and moderate off topic posts or posts that forget to mention "the rule". So I watch for abusive users and other stuff that requires an admin, and leave the community rules to the mods
Because different instances have different rules. And communities have their own rules. wait till you learn that you only see coversations from the people your instance federates with. You could be seeing half the comments of a thread if the federation overlap between your instance and the host instance are not exactly the same.
And that small portion of people would never know that content was taken away from them.
Sounds like censoring with extra steps.
I agree, while I find some communities on certain servers tiresome or too provocative, they might also have communities with interesting humor or discussion about other topics. It's possible to selectively block communities, isn't it? I think that's what lemmy.world did with certain kbin communities that were unmoderated and receiving spam, without fully defederating from kbin.
But you mean, I think, to federate just the posts and not show comments from other instances. That would be an interesting change.