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The NYC subway banned dogs on trains unless they fit into a small bag, so this guy trained his Pitbull to sit in a small bag. (suppo.fi)
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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is that common in your country? I can't remember last time I heard about a dog attack here

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Over here yes. Happens quite often. Mostly when unsupervised children meet unsupervised dogs.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Does your country have pit bulls?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Where is all this pit bull hate coming from? They're not anymore dangerous to people than other breeds of similar size, yet they get such a disproportionate amount of blame. I'm not sure why.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Statistics... you can look up bite/ attack/ fatality statistics and pit bulls dominate the leaderboards.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Since 2016, at least 65 different breeds and mixed breeds have been involved in fatal dog attacks in the U.S. including: Akita, Boxer, Doberman Pinscher, German Shepherd, Great Dane, Husky, Labrador Retriever, Mastiff, Pitbull-Type, Rottweiler, and many others.

The risk of being fatally attacked by a dog (of any breed) given an average of 33 fatal attacks every year in the U.S. and a population of 330,000,000. According to CDC data, fatal dog attacks are exceedingly rare - lightning strikes cause more fatalities (~36/year) than dogs.

https://www.fataldogattacks.org/

So even if pit bulls are the "dominant" killers, it's the "dominant" one out of 33 deaths. Which could be 3.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

bite/ attack/ fatality

Yay strawman! I state the above... And then you focus on only one thing! Go argue somewhere else moron. Congrats on ONLY caring about dead people... And not the ones that were maimed/severely hurt.

It's funny because pulling from another source that's PRO pitbull... https://thepitbullcenter.com/pitbull-attack-statistics/

  1. In 2020, Pit Bulls caused 33 deaths of adults aged over 20 years. (Pawsome Advice)

So is it 33 deaths total per year for all dogs and pitbulls do 3 of those 33? or 33 attributed to pit bulls period... and there's only a handful additional deaths per year?

Oh wait, they answer my question too!

14 Pit Bulls caused 22 of 28 adult deaths (79%) and 16 (57%) people killed were females. (Dog Bite Law)

So ~80% of dog fatalities dealing with adults humans were pitbulls... Sounds a bit lopsided since 80% of all dogs in the USA aren't pitbulls now... doesn't it?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're the one who brought up fatalities. Not sure how it's only a strawman when I do it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No. I brought up ALL bite/attack/fatality categories. You focused on one in bad faith, like my argument changes anyway. But you even failed to attack just the fatality category anyway. Look, let me drag up one of my old reddit posts. I have full sources and citations... I've even done an analysis of attack per breed per capita. Ultimately IIRC pitbulls are overrepresented by about 6x the next worst breed. You don't get that high of a spike unless there's actually a problem with the breed itself.

Edit: Adding content from Reddit I've written before...

If that were the case, I'd expect that per capita pit bulls would then be equal to all other breeds or at the base minimum to represent their population, so if a pit population is 10% of all dogs, then they should account for 10% of all dog-related deaths. This is a little facetious though as little Pomeranians aren't going to kill anyone... So let's look at a number of breeds to determine what could be a valid number...
So how can we account for pitbulls accounting for 7.4% of all dogs and commiting ~66% of all dog-based fatalities when...
Rottweilers are 2.4% of dog population and commit about 10% of the murders recorded.
German Shepherd are 8.5% of the dog population accounting for ~5% murders. (beating population value even though they're large dogs)
Huskies are 2.3% of the population and account for 3% of the murders
How about a dog bred to kill bears??? Akitas... 0.4% of the population... doesn't even come up on the murder table... so less than 0.5%...
How can we account for this massive disparity? You really think that ONLY pitbulls are mistreated, untrained, and raised improperly? So all Rottweilers and German Shepherds are trained perfectly? Yes, I can agree with you that an abused dog will absolutely lash out and hurt humans... I cannot agree with you that this is the deciding or only factor. Otherwise we would have seen it with other breeds as bad owners are everywhere. Breeds like Akita's show that you can be breed for fighting and not be aggressive towards humans. Pit bulls simply were bred for aggression, you can't always train it out of them, and it only takes one slip.
Source for fatality rates:
https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-multi-year-fatality-report-2005-2017.php
Source for population percentage rates:
https://www.animals24-7.org/2021/07/07/dog-breed-census-2021-labs-hounds-top-list-pit-bulls-come-in-third/

Edit2: If you want to read about how many events are happening regularly... https://old.reddit.com/r/BanPitBulls/

While many posts are griping about dumb idiots who treat pitbulls like gods... Every day there's many posts outlining new attacks... and they maintain actual listings of attacks where humans are hurt or killed... and events where pitbulls kill animals. Some examples being https://old.reddit.com/r/BanPitBulls/comments/tuyivl/april_2022_list_of_pit_bull_attacksfatalities/
https://old.reddit.com/r/BanPitBulls/comments/102buat/january_2023_list_of_pit_bull_attacksfatalities/

If you can find me ANY other breed that is ANYWHERE near this bad... I'll delete my entire lemmy instance.