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Israel declares siege of Gaza as Hamas threatens to start killing hostages
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 10 Oct 2023
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Ah sorry I mixed up the threads. In another one, I was asking people what they would do if they were Hamas to reach a joint state solution. My bad.
I agree. Hamas are dumb as fuck.
And Israel won't care about civilian lives either. Not wanting to negotiate with terrorists doesn't mean all those kids in Gaza had to die. This is not what "not negotiating with terrorists" looks like. What it looks like is wanting to ethnically cleanse Palestinians.
In your example above, Israel takes all while Palestinians just get "prisoners" back (prisoners that are not really being tried for anything, a literal war crime, so for all intents and purposes they are not detained under any reasonable law and they don't have the most basic of rights)... and Palestine gets nothing.
Seems to me like maybe Israel should negotiate with terrorists if it means less dead civilians. But Israel doesn't care about that. And this is why we are here today.
Palestine also get the benefit of not having their cities ravaged while Israel troops hunt down enemy combatants. They get to keep some semblance of an autonomous nation. They also minimize civilian casualties in their end, if they actually cared about that.
It's very hard to make the argument that Israel should care about less dead civilians when the other side specifically targets civilians. I'm not sure why you keep expecting Israel to negotiate with restraint when they have no incentive to negotiate at all.
What will happen if Israel does not come to the table? Hamas will kill innocent people? And if Israel negotiates and comes to peace with Hamas, the killing will stop? History shows otherwise.
And since that killing innocent part already happens, there's nothing left to bargain for is there?
I also take issue with the fact that bringing accountability to Hamas for what happened is considered one sided negotiations for Israel. How is justice for a terrorist act considered a total victory?
This should never be a "benefit" nor is it a "benefit" to any other group of people.
Yeah just a "fake" self determination, never a real fulfilling one.
If they actually cared about that? What is that supposed to mean? Sounds to me like you are making shitty generalizations about Palestinians.
Then don't harbor terrorists. It obviously wasn't a "benefit" to the Israelis who were murdered now was it?
If Hamas cared about civilian casualties, they would never have kidnapped and executed civilians. If they cared about civilian casualties, they would negotiate their surrender.
If you're trying to spotlight Israel's treatment of Palestinians and hoping to garner sympathy, you're not going to have much success when the current world event topic is "Palestinians (Hamas) murdered and taken hostage innocent Israeli civilians."
You're right in your last statement. The world has already ignored Palestinian suffering and the result now is an ongoing ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. Nope, no one would sanction Israel or do anything and here we are today.
Ignoring the false statements you are making. If you want the world to support you, don't commit acts of terror on civilians.
Are you talking about Palestinians or about Hamas? Because Hamas coming "acts of terror" is not justified, and neither is Israel's acts of terror which it commits daily and without anyone giving a fuck.
The world will continue to side with the group that isn't hunting down innocent people in their homes and at festivals.
The problem with what you're saying is that Israel commits war crimes every day. So why should the world side with them?
The problem is pro-Palestinian side trying to claim that illegal detention and collateral damage from war is equal to terrorist operations that intentionally targeted massacres of civilians.
That doesn't work for anyone with a sense of nuance and common sense.
I think you only applied your own logic to Israel and not Palestinians.
There I corrected it for you.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.