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Porn addiction isn't a thing. People with addictive personalities always out here trying to blame whatever they are hyperfocusing on, instead of getting some therapy and addressing their neurodivergency.
I think I'm confused here. Would it not be true that porn addiction is a thing, just that porn isn't the root cause of it? Like, addictive personalities result in addictions but they have to be addicted to something and that addiction is the {insert vice here} addiction.
Gambling addiction, porn addictions, gaming addictions etc. Just because the personality is the cause I thought it would still be helpful to get them away from whatever they hyperfocus on in order to start working of the addictive traits.
I have a friend who isn't addicted to cigarettes and only smokes with buddies but never alone or with me. And me who isn't addicted to alcohol but only drinks if really good friends want to go out and get a bit (been years now but used to be months)
yea exactly then that's not an addiction, but if one does it compulsively then it is
I would say that's not addiction at all, that's just partaking in things that aren't good for you in a social setting. Addiction is when it takes over your life isn't it?
Genuine question, it's hard to convey curiosity over sarcasm on the internet.
I'm using a few real examples but we are a tiny minority compared to most of our other friends who can't stop one or the other
This is a refreshing comment thread compared to reddit these days. You just get shouted at saying something like this. There are chemically addictive things and then there are things that are addictive and habit forming because they are fun. Totally separate things. One takes self control, one takes outside help.
Accurrate comic though minus the being able to go over a week part!
Mental addiction is a thing.
Those addictions are only addictive because of underlying issues.
Fix those issues, and you will not be addicted anymore.
Those issues are much harder to solve and play a much greater role in “hard addictions” than chemical dependency does.
The problem is, that line of thought isn't very useful conditioning is a thing very much so, and you can absolutely be addicted to the dopamine release. Just because it's downstream doesn't mean the porn isn't the ultimate addictor.
You can also self control your way out of addictive substances like nicotine. Only a scant few need medical intervention. Unless you're going to tell me heroin and alcohol are the only actually addictive substances that exiat. It's INCREDIBLY reductive to reduce anything that doesn't have a specific chemical addiction mechanism to "not an addiction get help lol". Yes, get help. Probably from these things called addiction therapists, that deal with things like porn addiction and gambling addiction.
True. There is no chemical part of porn itself to make it "addictive." Orgasm just releases dopamine that feels good.
If you are addicted to meth, it's not easy to give it up because you are chemically addicted to it.
If you are "addicted" to porn, it's moderately easy to give up, if you have self control
But you just stated yourself, porn, which leads to an orgasm usually, leads to dopamine release.
Dopamine release feels good.
Big dumb animal brain associates porn with feeling good.
Brain wants to feel good, brain watches porn.
We're all animals, we're all conditioned. If you want to say technically there's no addiction mechanism for porn itself, sure whatever, but that's not actually very useful is it? Just because the addictive (replace it with 'conditioned to seek' if you want) bit is a little downstream from the porn itself doesn't mean the porn itself isn't the problem.
Also, if self control was so fuckin easy, you wouldn't have anyone with any real problems, they'd just self control them all into solved.
I never said self-control itself is easy, giving up watching porn once you have it, is.
You don't have withdrawal symptoms from not jacking off unless you count craving to masturbate as one. The craving is felt by literary anyone who gets horny.
Drugs, on the other hand, can have very severe withdrawal symptoms that require the person to seek help and cure his addiction.
Not to mention, you get dopamine from many things. If we treat all of them as severely as actual addictions, the word itself just loses all its meaning.
Withdrawal symptoms aren't the only thing that signifies an addiction. A very quick look at the definition includes "the condition of being habitually occupied with or involved in something." On the strictest definition level, you're just wrong.
That's not a super useful metric, though, so in addition to those, almost any real discussion of addiction includea a requirement for it to be negatively impactful to your life. Sure, physiologically addictive substances obviously have a negative impact on your life. It's pretty clear that there are many ways things that aren't physiologically addictive, when used habitually, can cause issues.
Further, not all physiological addictions require professional or medical intervention, or have you never heard of someone quitting smoking cold turkey?
I did and it usually takes way more than jusf self control to quit it. Some people are just built different.
What I was trying to show by mentioning withdrawal symptoms that masturbation does not change physicochemical make up. All it does is release dopamine (hell, not even masturbation, the orgasm itself), and its not the only activity that does that. Eating, sports, donating, receiving compliments... all of those give you dopamine.
Actual addictions change you inside, sometimes severely enough that you need professional help.
I just don't think its useful to call both of these an addicion, given how different in nature they both are. I think there should be a difference between an addiction and a habit. But thats just my opinion and I don't force anyone to agree with it
You're sure making a lot of bold, definitive statements for "that's just my opinion bro!" And what I'm trying to say is that, fundamentally, you're wrong. Further, it's actually a bit dangerous to say to someone struggling with a very real thing that they just need to have some self control. Don't rub one out for a week! You'll be fine!
Psychological addictions have a lot of the same impacts on your life as physiological ones. People employ addiction-seeking behaviors to get what they want. It can be INCREDIBLY difficult to stop. Often times you can't without psychological help or group support. Hell, psychological addictions can even come with withdrawal symptoms.
All things point towards this being an addiction. What do you lose by extending the empathy towards these people struggling that you do to those struggling with other addictions? It's more convenient, I suppose, to say that the problem and solution all rest within the other person's head, nevermind that what's inside someone's head is literally their entire existence.
Gratz on quitting smoking, though, any addiction is hard to kick.
There are two kinds of addiction, physiological and psychological. Addictive substances are physiologically addictive because of how the effect they have on the brain and body, but that doesn’t mean you can’t form a physiological dependence on something and have similar issues not “using”.
You will not have withdrawal effects from not jacking off. Urge to do it is not a withdrawal effect and can be overcome with self-control. With actual withdrawal symptoms, they can be extremely severe in some cases, even deadly. If you are addicted to drugs, you need to seek psychological help to overcome it, not with porn addiction