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https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/climate-and-environment/this-canadian-ecologist-discovered-how-trees-communicate-underground-1.5434980
Prior to about 15 years ago we also thought plants couldn't communicate. Then we discovered a new mechanism through which they do actually communicate.
Ever heard of discovery? Apparently not, and I think any science group you might want to join will be unreceptive to your close-mindedness.
There are exactly zero good scientific reasons to believe plants feel pain my dude. I'm not being close minded nor open minded, I am just being sensible. Being "open minded" about anything without any solid justification isn't being open minded, it is being naive. Are you going to call me close minded for not believing purple swans exist? We didn't use to know that black swans existed, so maybe purple swans exist? I believe just as much in that plants feel pain as I believe in that santa exists, which is effectively nil.
To quote the website I found (doplantsfeelpain.com):
"We consider the likelihood that plants, with their relative organizational simplicity and lack of neurons and brains, have consciousness to be effectively nil". That is not entirely zero, but for all intents and purposes zero.
This is not only based on non-extrapolation, but also based on our knowledge of consciousness, feelings and pain.
We used to say those same things about communication and decision making.
We used to think rocks were completely solid, then we discovered they are actually mostly empty space. Perhaps one day we'll discover rocks feel pain too.
Have you ever heard of epistemology?