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[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I would bet any amount of money that at least 50% of lemmy posts are shitting on capitalism. Couple that with the fact that people tolerate some amount of tankie'ism, I'd say lemmy is extreme.

Let me ask you this, if you had a website with a community that relentlessly mocks communism and/or socialism, and lets some nazi posts rise to the top, what would you call that website?

I don't know anything about Barbie so I can't say anything about that. But I know that not all of lemmy is extreme, of course there's gonna be some normal everyday content.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Mocking capitalism is not extremism in most of the world. Even the pope shits regularly on current capitalism.

Left and anti-capitalism are 2 different things. And most people in Lemmy are blandly criticizing current turbo capitalism, which is left, center, right... Not everyone who oppose capitalism, particularly in our current form, is extreme left. And most of the posts I see here are not really anti-anticapitalism, mainly pro regulated capitalism (unions and regulations), which in Europe for instance are center left position.

What you guys call tankies are indeed extremes.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I can't say I have definitive data on that but when I look at the front page which includes everything that is federated by lemm.ee, I see tankie posts often and people are mostly in agreement. Something like this I would call tankie, and I see one of those everyday, maybe every two days.

I'm not saying that anti capitalist things are extreme on their own. But when it's mixed with the tolerance of overtly extreme memes makes you extreme. I'll ask again, what if it was the case for a right wing ideology? What if that meme said something like "But Zoe, the Jews are taking all the wealth and will not stop voluntarily." Would the existence of that hypothetical meme not make that community extremist? If it was just that meme on its own then fuck it, it's just edgy shock value stuff. But when the community is always slanting on one side, the meme has a more serious connotation.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is that considered tankie? I know it's pro revolutionary socialism, which is typically what the countries tankies like did to start out.

When I think 'tankie' I usually think people who are still pro those countries to the point of denial about genocides and other bad things those countries are doing.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah maybe not exactly tankie but I think it's close enough. The meme is still extremist since these people would probably kill any remaining capitalist in their imagined revolution.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

yeah, fair enough.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Tankie doesn't mean anything

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's plenty of Nazi and alt-right social media or even Lemmy instances you can go to if you want to avoid leftists. But one or two leftist instances pop up and suddenly the world's ending. Maybe this is a good way to discover which side of the left-right spectrum you favor?

Personally, I'd rather err on the side of leftism. At least their goals are noble.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I think you are replying to the wrong comment

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let me ask you this, if you had a website with a community that relentlessly mocks communism and/or socialism, and lets some nazi posts rise to the top, what would you call that website?

Reddit?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

When did any post that had Nazi propaganda get to the front page?

And I don't know what are you talking about with the mocking socialism in Reddit. They even have the LateStageCapitalism sub, which is pretty popular.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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