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[–] SquishyPandaDev@yiffit.net 33 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Holly shit this has been picked up by the BBC.

Remember, it doesn't matter if they succeed or not. The fact it has happened will terrify Putin.

[–] Arbiter@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I feel like this might be on behalf of Putin.

Wagner has been pretty careful to call out everyone but Putin.

Feels like setting the stage for a claim that the war was orchestrated by rogue elements in the Russian military, giving an out to tuck tail and run and move toward easing sanctions.

[–] sudneo@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Judging from the address to the nation, this doesn't seem the case now.

The situation is still very confused.

[–] Arbiter@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah, shit is wild.

[–] DrElementary@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is what I'm worried about. I hope they all tear themselves to pieces, but if Putin gets out scot free, I'll be disappointed

[–] LanternEverywhere@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago

I mean i hear what you're saying, but if it means less death and destruction for innocent Ukrainians then I'm all for letting Putin live.

[–] Ertebolle@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nah, this feels more like an "evil counsellors" situation - you don't want to take on the king directly, so you instead give him an out by saying that he's OK but he's been given bad advice. Which also means if you do take over you can keep him around as a figurehead who now listens to better advisers like yourself.

[–] Arbiter@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

True, it’ll be interesting to see what the hell happened once the dust settles.

[–] Arbiter@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

I feel like this might be on behalf of Putin.

Wagner has been pretty careful to call out everyone but Putin.

Feels like setting the stage for a claim that the war was orchestrated by rogue elements in the Russian military, giving an out to tuck tail and run and move toward easing sanctions.

[–] Aux@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It won't terrify Putin. It all goes according to the plan. Different forces are fighting between themselves to show who's more loyal to Putin, those who are not loyal enough are either falling out of windows or being killed on the battlefield. And those who are loyal are getting ludicrously rich. The amount of billionaires in Russia has increased fivefold during the first year of the war.

Army generals got too corrupt and too complacent since their success in Crimea in 2014, this war is a tool to put them into place and Prigozhin talks a lot so that Putin can put generals' noses into their shit to teach them a lesson or two while the public fully supports this. Prigozhin gets his piece of the pie in the process.

[–] Kutsuya@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

According to Forbes, the number of billionaires in Russia has increased from 99 in 2022 to 105 in 2023.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/04/20/billionaires-a80889

[–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, I misread, shame on me. Still, the number has increased noticeably. All while multiple oligarchs jumped out of the window.

[–] Kutsuya@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yea, kinda sus

[–] Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 years ago

Yes, this is way too open. To me this looks like turkey 2016 "coup"