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[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Right to work states (alphabetical):

  1. Alabama
  2. Arizona
  3. Arkansas
  4. Florida
  5. Georgia
  6. Idaho
  7. Indiana
  8. Iowa
  9. Kansas
  10. Kentucky
  11. Louisiana
  12. Michigan
  13. Mississippi
  14. Nebraska
  15. Nevada
  16. North Carolina
  17. North Dakota
  18. Oklahoma
  19. South Carolina
  20. South Dakota
  21. Tennessee
  22. Texas
  23. Utah
  24. Virginia
  25. West Virginia
  26. Wisconsin
  27. Wyoming

Lowest 10 state GDP per capita (2023):

51: Mississippi

50: West Virginia

49: Arkansas

48: Alabama

47: South Carolina

46: New Mexico

45: Idaho

44: Montana

43: Kentucky

42: Oklahoma

New Mexico and Montana are apparently not right to work but rank low in GDP per capita. The highest GDP per capita right to work state is North Dakota, ranked 6th in GDP per capita after California (5th) and before Connecticut (7th). Nebraska is the only other right to work state in the top 10 GDP per capita coming in at number 10.

Apologies for formatting, etc. I did this on mobile from my bed.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

this is a good run down, with one nit, probably caused by availability of data. Gdp per capita is not a good metric, because its a mean, so verp vulnerable to outliers, and because it represents generation of wealth regardless of if that money stays in the state.

North Dakota is an oil state.

It has a median household income of $68,000, meaning half of all households bring in less than that.

It has a mean income per capita of $37,343

11.5% of people in north dakota live in poverty

north dakota ranks 39th for poverty, which is better than middle.

This is an example of how different stats will have different results. When looking at poverty rates, out of the ten worst, only New Mexico is not a right-to-work state.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was going to say gdp isn’t a good metric. GDP is economic output and not really relevant.

I’d look at cost of living and wages.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thank you. I'm not a fan of GDP. If you and I started crotch kicking businesses and paid each other $1,000,000 dollars to kick each other in the crotch, we just contributed $2,000,000 to the GDP with nothing of value created. My testicles hurt and your $PARTS hurt.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Exactly. You have a lot of funny money being passed around but that doesn’t mean anyone is making a living wage or if people are poor or not. Cost of living and income are more important. In some states it’s cheap to live and you’re paid accordingly. Other states it’s expensive and you’re paid more but not always enough for the living. GDP is fine to track things at a high level or national level but horrible for tracking how workers are doing

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I even question the usefulness at high levels. It doesn't measure how much wealth is produced. Say our GDP is 10 billion. Let's say 2 billion is tshirts that suck and get thrown away. Next year we make tshirts that last 5 years and our GDP is 11 billion because they cost more. Year 3, it shrinks to 9 billion because we don't have to make as many tshirts. We are better off in year 3 than year 1 by a billion, because we actually kept those shirts instead of tossing them.

I would like to see GDP numbers adjusted for useful production. E.g. since 40% of food is trashed, cut that portion of the GDP by 30% (we need some wiggle room so a bad crop doesn't cause a famine)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I’m not an economist, as such I don’t understand all the nuances for gdp but it seems every time a dollar trades hands, it impacts the gdp.

The problem is a lot of its funny money.

We also base our budgets on gdp. As such it’s screwy as we spend like all of its being taxed.

Military is 3% gdp which doesn’t place us in the top 10 for spending. Yet on dollars we are the highest spender by far but we don’t collect enough to cover our debts.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is great qualifying information and I think this shows that you can't just take the back of a tee shirt at face value. Who knows what the wearer meant by "poorest states."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

They don't know either.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Michigan is the first state ever to repeal their "right to work" laws and it will end next March

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

Michigan is taking wonderful steps to protect the rights of its people. It's not perfect, but I am so proud of my state and the people who are helping to put these protections in place!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

It's the who's who of shithole states!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

That’s a great summary!