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Any domain registrar/hosting provider that does not require propietary software to run? (discuss.tchncs.de)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I gone through a lot of hosting service providers and unfortunetly cannot find a single one that can be used without running nonfree programs, all of them require loading bulky obfuscated JavaScript apps.

I know of Codeberg Pages for static sites for example, but it is not suitable for any business or professional use.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I think he's calling the website that is running non-free javascript as an additional piece of software based on his commment on "bulky obfuscated JavaScript apps."

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So...he wants to email somebody to create a server for him? This seems highly impractical and unnecessary lol.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The separation is pedantic, but you can have dynamic websites without JS or with free ones. The argument is basically the server-side software only see the data you input, but client-side malware can extract information or do other nasty things you can't observe or prevent.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I get what you mean, but OP's gonna have a hard time finding any website, much less a VPS provider, that doesn't have Javascript in it and for good reason. There's things like remote consoles and status dashboards that simply don't work without Javascript.

If its really a concern, you can run the Javascript in a separate browser instance, but I find that precaution to be completely unnecessary because if you don't trust your VPS provider, why would you trust that they won't do anything to your server or use your payment info for nefarious purposes? The Javascript is the least of OP's concerns IMHO.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or just via web browser that can show websites and does not run any random script that was send to it.

Something like that would be seen as huge deal when talking about mobile or desktop programs, but somehow when browsers do not show how many MB of additional software they downloaded to build a webpage (that in my opinion should already be build by the server) somehow we all assume there is no software.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Something like that would be seen as huge deal when talking about mobile or desktop programs

That's because mobile and desktop programs have far more access to your system compared to Javascript programs that run in a permissioned sandbox. They are not the same thing.

that in my opinion should already be build by the server

Eh, that's debateable honestly. Sometimes pages built by dynamic Javascript have much a much better and fluid UI experience than server-side rendering, which require slow full-page reloads. To each their own though, there's benefits and disadvantages to both methods.