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Do the people who wrote those lyrics get a cut of Spotify gatekeeping them?
hahahahaha spotify and paying someone lol
Spotify is not profitable right now; their current revenue doesn't come anywhere close to covering their costs. The only reason they're able to survive is investors holding on to the belief that, some day, it'll be possible to actually make the numbers work.
The majority of their investors are record labels now, so there's also an incentive to prevent competing streamers from taking Spotify's position
Spotify purchases their lyrics from Musixmatch
So no?
You as an individual can go access the public free database. Spotify as a corporation is a customer of musixmatch.
https://about.musixmatch.com/business/customer-stories/Spotify
I'm not sure what exactly you're trying to say?
Spotify is receiving money for something they did not create.
Neither the writers of the lyrics nor the fans who transcribed them get a cut.
That is fucked up.
It is fucked up that the fans who are transcribing do not get a cut, but it's not like they were misled to believe they would make a cut before they started doing it. The people doing that are doing it out of a passion for the music.
I'm not saying they shouldn't be paid of course they should, if it was up to me I'd say make them all rich. I just think it's a stretch to imply that Spotify is stealing anything here
I like stealing. According to my belief system theft is good.
It's the fact Spotify is charging users for something stolen is what I think is fucked.
Something stolen should be freely shared.
The writers almost certainly do get a cut. Musixmatch does not own the copyright to any of the lyrics, and as such, negotiated with the copyright holders in order to be allowed to store, display, and sell access to the lyrics. This almost certainly involved some amount of money changing hands.
Spotify is paying money for access to the lyrics and using that as a feature in their product. A chunk of that money is almost certainly going back to the actual writers.
Spotify are paying musixmatch for the lyrics.
musixmatch didn't create the content either.
Irrelevant. It’s up to musixmatch to pay the creators or supplier of their content, not Spotify.
Ah, the buygamekeys .ru approach.
It’s not up to Spotify to pay the wages of the company that provides a paid service to them.
Just to sell stolen goods, huh?
Stolen? Who stole the lyrics?
Anyone extracting rents on gatekeeping access to them.
No one is gathering access to lyrics.
Who “stole“ something here, and from who?
I never said they were. The verb I used was gatekeeping.
You know, like how Spotify locks access to them behind a paywall. The exact thing I just described.
Autocorrect sorry, supposed to be gate keeping.
Spotify isn’t gate keeping access to the lyrics - you’re free to look them up on musixmatch or any of the other lyric sites and services. They’ve simply added them to their subscription services. You don’t know what gate keeping means.
You also still haven’t answer how anyone “stole” anything? Who stole what and from who?
"If you pay us, you can see this. If you don't, you cannot see it."
Now who doesn't know what gatekeeping is?
I have. Multiple times.
So every product on the market is gate keeping?
How is freely copyable information no one who is profiting from wrote or transcribed a product?
It's rent-seeking and it's gross.
Spotify don’t just sell lyrics lol. The lyrics are just another of the features that require premium.
Right. They gatekeep them behind a paywall. This is like the forth time we've been over this.
They are engaged in rentseeking behavior and that is wrong.
"rentseeking behaviour" is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard used to describe a subscription service.
Is that all this is - you dislike subscription services?
They can't gatekeep something that is available freely and easily outside of their service. They're putting their implementation of the lyrics being matched to the music inside their subscription service. That's not "gatekeeping".
You still haven't explained how anyone "stole" anything either.
Can you see what they are there if you don't pay them? Do I need to explain a 6th time what gatekeeping is?
Yes I have. You just keep ignoring everything I say.
You haven't, so do it in reply to this. Who stole what from who?
I think you need someone to explain what it is to you tbh lol. Like I said, is this just you thinking that all subscription services are bad and "gate keeping"? Do you think needing to buy a ticket to go to a theme park is "gatekeeping"?
What part of gatekeeping access are you not able to wrap your head around and how many times do I need to explain profiting off uncompensated labor?
Who is profiting off uncompensated labor? Who stole what from who? You keep dodging the questions lol.
Spotify pay Musixmatch for lyrics. Spotify are paying for a service. If Musixmatch are "stealing" lyrics from somewhere that's not Spotify's problem.
Do you just believe that ALL subscriptions and payments to access something are "gatekeeping" behaviour? Answer the question. Is a movie theatre requiring you to buy a ticket before you can see the movie "gatekeeping" and bad? Is having to pay to watch netflix "gatekeeping"?
This is getting unbelievable in how much you are dancing around answering any questions about your crazy train of thought.
And how do you think axes get sharpened?
Whetstones! And you can't just smash a bat into a berry barn.
The edge is what gives axes ...pardon the expression... edge!
So if the gravy thickens what are you going to do with that apretrieaour of yours?
I hope you got some long-term strategy for weevils.
So you're ...... not........ going to answer the simple questions?
And then you gotta talk about giant squids.
Them things is huuuuuuuuuuge. Like you can fit two regular size squids inside one and the big ones at that.
All wriggly and covered in equal parts suckers and slime.
Life is like that, my friend. You got all sorts of movement in it and it's trying to slip away from you AS (get is? as) it grips onto you.
Them suckers is painful too, because they got fish hooks in them. Squid fish hooks are natures fish hooks, that's why they used to use them as fish hooks.
Of course they had to catch the squid to cut its arms up and once they managed that no one wanted to use the hooks anymore as they had just went through the trouble of inventing a non-hook-related method of catching sealife.
And life is like that, friend.
aaaaaaaaaand blocked :)
And that's ANOTHER thing. You never cleaned the cheesewheel from the hampster aerdrion valtrex.
Why won't you address the cruise boat missive ?
Right, your moral cowardice.