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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

So suppose we don't like cars and want to not need them. What are the transportation alternatives for rural areas? Are there viable options?

Edit:

Thank you all for interesting comments. I should certainly have been more specific-- obviously the term "rural" means different things to different people. Most of you assumed commuting; I should have specified that I meant more for hauling bulk groceries, animal feed, hay bales, etc. For that application I really see no alternative to cars, unfortunately. Maybe horse and buggy in a town or village scenrio.

For posterity and any country dwellers who try to ditch cars in the future, here are the suggestions:

Train infrastructure, and busses where trains aren't possible

Park and rides, hopefully with associated bike infrastructure

No real alternative and/or not really a problem at this scale

Bikes, ebikes, dirtbikes

Horse and buggy

Ride share and carpooling

Don't live in the country

Walkable towns and villages

Our greatgrandparents and the amish did it

A lot of you gave similar suggestions, so I won't copy/paste answers, but just respond to a few comments individually.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ask yourself: If I didn't have a car, would I still live here?

Cars encourage sprawl, and living far away from the things we need everyday. This is a bad thing. This, not emissions, and not safety, are my main gripe with personal automotives. You're asking, "how do we keep the worse, most selfish parts of car ownership if we get rid of cars?" We fucking don't. That's the point.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I honestly really have a problem with this mentality. I would like to try to find common ground with you around the things we both think are problems, but I don't know if that's possible.

See, to me, it's just the opposite. It's all the cities where peopke are mashed in together like a factory chicken farm-- that's where the problem comes from. If we could just have fewer people living further apart I think a lot of the problems with society would more or less solve themselves.

I'm not here to pick a fight, and I am listening to you. But how can you think that more bigger cities is an improvement? I really don't understand.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I don't want everyone to live in cities. What my gripe is, is sprawl, the city bleeding out into the countryside. The countryside should be full of people who actually live there; who work there, and get their food there, and spend their time there. Why should someone who spends four-fifths of her waking time in a city center be driving all the way out of the city to sleep?

We've made this option artificially cheap by subsidizing the automobile and passing the many, many externalities onto the public purse.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

We can both agree the solution is not larger cities! Its about more frequent smaller cities (villages/towns).

  • Smaller schools that spread out instead of busing everyone within a 50mile radius
  • Changing zoning rules so grocery stores, small hardware shops, etc can be near houses
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hey! We do have common ground! More frequent small towns/villages would definitely be a good thing. Idyllic, even. I don't know how to get there from here though.

In my area it's not really zoning laws; it's just economics of scale. There used to be a convenience store/hardware/feed store just like 5 miles from my place. It went out of business 30 years ago when they put walmart and lowes in the city. If it were back, i could probably get by with a horse and buggy.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I once lived in a small village (population 160). You could still see the former school building, the former grocery shop. Both had been closed when everyone got a car. The only infrastructure left was a pub.

Cars killed infrastructure in rural communities. First, it was nice to be able to shop in the cheaper shops in the city by car. Then the local shop closed and the car became a necessity.