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IT needs more brains, so why is it so bad at getting them?::Open-book exams aren’t nearly open enough

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Honestly just changing the interview process would be enough to get more people into the business.

Literally yesterday I did a code challenge to track the distance, speed, maintenance schedules, and predict collisions of forklifts in a warehouse. The job I was applying for was a pretty average SRE roll.. System design, IaC, CI/CD pipelines, PromQL, etc.. How is the code challenge representative of the job in any way?

I feel like I need to learn leetcode algorithm patterns just for the interviews.. I never need them for the actual jobs I get hired for.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I've always wondered if the solution to the hiring fiasco in IT is to have official licenses similar to the way engineers and lawyers have formal credentials.

Most companies do dumb shit like this because is hard to know if you are actually qualified or if you are blowing smoke. Everyone has had that one guy on the team who barely has a clue how to even set up his ide let alone code.

The problem with this would be the same as it is with all licenses and certs. The tests don't match real world practice. The other option is adopting the trades approach and combine that with licensing. Apprentice, journeyman etc.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Yea, but more formal and less "sell you a boot camp study course" style.

I understand thst even the (law) bar has those courses but it's also a pretty good filter. Law degree + passing the bar is a solid bare minimum. Then adopt a similar approach to trades where you are an apprentice for x years under a master/mentor before you become a journeyman.

The industry has sort of already adopted it but it's not standardized and it's not trustworthy. Calling yourself a senior software engineer means almost nothing. It's the same as "vice president" in financial companies.

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