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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

ethical rape. ethical murder. ethical looking the other way.

I spent years chasing my tail trying to be an "ethical" consumer of intelligent creatures. Each time realizing, fuck, I've been lying to myself, complicit in my own brainwashing. There's no such thing as the ethical consumption of intelligent creatures.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

This is fair. You are right. I am not claiming that my way of eating is ethical as it stands at all. I am in the camp of wanting lab grown meat to be widely available and cheap. That is ethical if done right. I already eat meat substitutes, but my finances are not great and sometimes it's hard to beat the cost effectiveness/nutritional value of regular ground beef or eggs and bacon. In those cases I at least try to buy the least tortured meat I can afford, if you get what I am saying. I do appreciate that there are empathetic people like you in the world.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the attitude that makes people turn away and ignore the entire issue. The fact of the matter is that people don't care about animals and they think this viewpoint is absurd. You have to give them arguments that are self-serving, because they will never equate "ethical meat" with "ethical murder".

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What's rule 2? Hell, what's RULE 1?!

I'm not here, in the fucking VEGAN community forum, to hold the hand of fucking animal abusers. So sorry.

The animals we create are morally equivalent to our own children. They are owed the unconditional love and protection of their creators.