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Calvin (from Calvin & Hobbes) sitting at a lemonade stand, smiling, with a sign that reads, "Trains and micromobility are inevitably the future of urban transportation, whether society wants it or not. CHANGE MY MIND."

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

There's a massive failure condition for your example - sure, autonomous cars behave like trains when they communicate with each other to sync acceleration and deceleration, but they can also separate themselves from the collective to drive you to the door of your home. In the train metaphor this would be like you sitting in your own train car, and the train car separating from the rest of it and driving you to your doorstep.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or you could have a train that drops you off either close to your home or close to a bus station that drops off near your home. This would require a walkable city, so it's definitely not as simple as just building tracks and bus stations. The issue is that Americans are so used to car dependent infrastructure, that when they try to imagine what public transport would be like, they think of it in the context of where they live. That's why I think so many are opposed to the idea. It's not an impossible task, it's just that it'd require money and effort, so it probably won't happen.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It also won't happen because not all of us live in cities. The "fuck cars" crowd never has any solutions for rural locations other than "don't live there" as if rural areas serve no purpose. As long as farms are a thing there will be people out here, either farming themselves or supporting farmers,and things like scooters and trains either won't work or only partially solve the problem.

Anyone who thinks getting rid of cars is a viable strategy in the US of all places is delusional.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You are talking about a minority of vehicles though. 77% of US personal vehicles are non-rural, hence, fuck them.*

I also don't think many people want to get rid of every single car everywhere for every purpose. Most cars are personal vehicles in built up areas and that's where they cause the most problems and make the least sense.

*From 2017 NHTS https://nhts.ornl.gov/

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You reinvented switches.

I think you miss part of transportation system that says system. It's more than one element.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

oh no, if only someone hadn't centralized like, a point, say, a station, where people could conveniently access the train of cars....

they could call it a... hmm.... TRAIN STATION?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why cars? Why not buses, trams, trolleys or even bikes?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago