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The co-founder of failed cryptocurrency exchange FTX pleaded not guilty to a seven count indictment charging him with wire fraud, securities fraud and money laundering.

An attorney for FTX co-founder Sam Bankman-Fried said in federal court Tuesday his client has to subsist on bread, water and peanut butter because the jail he's in isn't accommodating his vegan diet.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (41 children)

And? That's one organizations definition, and the reason they say "all animals" is not because they give jellyfish moral value, but because most nonvegans only respect the rights of humans and a few animals like dogs and cats. So we say "all animals" to generally say we are being morally consistent. Jellyfish and oysters just happen to be edge cases of animals existing without sentience.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Jellyfish and oysters just happen to be edge cases of animals existing without sentience.

you can't prove this.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

well they don't have fucking brains lol. why would an oyster evolve the capacity to suffer and fear and desire to live when they literally don't control where they move? it would be a waste of energy. an oyster's nervous system is about as complex as your finger...

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

why would an oyster evolve the capacity to suffer and fear and desire to live when they literally don’t control where they move?

there is no proof any nonhuman animal has a "desire to live" because there isn't proof they understand personal mortality.

as for whether they have the capacity to suffer, which is all that sentience really seems to require, you can't prove that they don't have the capacity to suffer because you can't prove a negative. the best you can say is that you don't think there is enough evidence to support a claim that they ARE sentient.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (39 children)

if you saw a human from a tribe who spoke a language you would never understand, how do you know they feel pain and want to live? if you kick a dog, how do you know the dog didn't enjoy it? maybe people who are asleep dont feel pain or want to live. lets just eat people in comas, or who speak other languages, and lets beat dogs because its so unclear whether they like it or not

Animals must just run from danger because the wind pushes them that way. Wonder why dogs wag their tails when they see humans. Strange. Nah no proof they have desires or fears

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