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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/2421185

Safe spaces are places that help build community and support between people that are marginalized in wider society (like LGBTQ+, African/Native/Asian Americans, autistic people, etc.)

In our day and age this is necessary because the wider world can be hostile to ideas and behaviours that push against the social norm. These ideas and behaviours that are expressed in these communities are, almost by definition, actively pushing against the social norm and trying to advocate for new and better social norms.

The way that these ideas are attacked can either be direct or indirect in their nature but all of the attacks essentially boils down to unhelpful criticism of the core idea.

For example, if someone made a comment about LGBTQ+ rights and how they need to be advocated more in general society but then someone else comes along and questions whether or not there is any fundamental inequality between LGBTQ+ people and wider society they are implicitly stifling conversation through questioning the core premise of inequality which stops further conversation.

Criticism can be great and help expose weaknesses in initial ideas but at the same time, it also can end up stifling creativity and discussion when people don't feel emotionally safe sharing their views with others in the community.

This is exactly why ideas can be fragile. Even great ideas and behaviours can end up being forgotten or abandoned because people excessively criticize them without actually developing them further.

This is why safe spaces are important to help nurture and build ideas/behaviours that otherwise would have a hard time gaining traction and help develop them so they become more resilient.

So how do we balance the need for critique and support in communities?

I think a good way of doing this would be to encourage constructive dissent - disagreeing in ways that help build on top of an idea instead of directly stifling it.

This is done by accepting the core premise from the person you are talking to and finding ways to make the idea/behaviour they presented better.

This is exactly why in improv it is important to have the attitude of "Yes, and" because otherwise the scene won't go anywhere and will either be stuck or completely dissolve.

Takeaway:

We need more communities where ideas can be built on top of each other instead of just being beaten down.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree with the title.

My problem with safe spaces on Reddit and to a less extent other web forums is a clear separation between them and discussion forums.

Reddit ( and other forums ) didn't have a way to visually and otherwise separate them from other discussion forums.

They looked just like every other sub where everyone was free to give their polite opinion.

That or you are enjoying a sub, a new crowd shows up, new mods show up, and you begin getting attacked along with everyone else who wasn't there for a safe space.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you think that there should be something visually different between the two or do you think the sub-rules would be enough to clarify to people what kind of space it should be?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I think safe spaces should be very visually different from discussion forums.