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Let's look at your arguments:
3d printing hasn't taken off: I think you underestimate just how important rapid prototyping and additive manufacturing has been in industry. Just because you don't see it doesn't make it unimportant. Here you can see some aircraft brackets that were 3d printed. https://www.metal-am.com/amgta-shows-additive-manufacturings-role-in-lightweighting-aircraft-engine-bracket/
Corporate proprietary software. Neither cad nor LLMs are strictly corporate proprietary software. And I hate to break it to you but corporate proprietary software is not inherently evil and is commonly required in academic and professional environments. https://openscad.org/ https://medium.datadriveninvestor.com/list-of-open-source-large-language-models-llms-4eac551bda2e
He cannot speak for himself.... It's better to parrot correct ideas than to articulate incorrect ones. Joking aside I don't see where you got this idea from, it seems he has plenty of creativity and aptitude for independent thought.
What happens when chatgpt starts censoring answers. Most llms are already censored and by their architecture they are specifically designed to make shit up. So any reasonable implementation would review and edit the output, a point you yourself already caught on to so again I fail to see your point here.
Is he going to carry a 3d printer? I remember hearing the same thing about calculators.
Your doom and gloom conclusion. LLMs are a tool that can be leveraged effectively or can be used to fuck yourself over quite quickly. However your ludditical (ludditicarian, luddilicious, luddite-loving, what's the right word here?) prevent progress, allow fascists to take advantage of the fact that you are uneducated and endanger our society and those you love.
The Times They Are A-Changin'
Let's not.
Let's watch you stop enabling other Americans to avoid being educated and watch you uplift our country instead of allowing it to collapse.
Let's watch you encourage young people to learn and help them do something meaningful instead of pushing people to become wholly dependent on corporate proprietary software that will lie, censor, send your deepest darkest secrets into the sweaty hands of marketing firms and tech giants, (and the open source garbage isn't better at all, because it can be updated to do the same without the knowledge you are rejecting), and enfeeble you completely.
Let's watch you actually think about and debate the points without copying and pasting answers you just printed out from Chat GPT.
Let's watch you do literally anything other than convince me more and more to ban the use of such tech when I get my own organizations going, and fire anyone who is caught using it. And the other industrious millennials and zoomers who will whip past you while you sit around being spoonfed scraps.
And Act 2 of the motherfucking show: hiding behind aggressive personal attacks and accusations, and appealing to stereotypes about generational divided to legitimize BLATANTLY unethical and immoral behavior.
Learning and life is for humans, not for AI to help people pretend to learn just to pass a class. You have to learn to engage with life on this planet no matter how technologically advanced we become, and generative AI is not a step forward or progress, it is backward. It is regression. It is copyright infringement on a massive scale, it is plagiarism, it is theft, neatly hidden behind a digital wall.
And you are a morally bankrupt thief and scammer for supporting it.
How about educators evolve their tests instead of acting like it is the 1950's still?
Everybody has a calculator everywhere at all times, head calculations just aren't as useful anymore.
Instead of writing pages on topics by hand like some medieval peasant, how about teaching some critical reading of multiple sources through the use of AI synopsis?
Skills evolve over time. Writing cursive was once an extremely important skill. Now everything is digital and it became useless.
So if a task can be completed by copy pasting ChatGPT results, it isn't an effective teaching tool anymore.
They already are using in-class hand written and oral exams as a result of this and to that, I agree with you.
Also I can tell you for a fact mental and written calculations are far more useful than just typing shit on a calculator non-stop.
Also Chat GPT is not a calculator. It completely removed the human from all intellectual pursuits and that's why it's bad.
Proving my point exactly, you know what you're doing is wrong but you want to do it anyway because you don't care about anyone other than yourself.
You are under ethical and moral obligations to learn and do work on your own honestly and by your own hand. You don't have the right to lie, cheat and steal to get your way, yet here you are supporting technology that does exactly those three things.
You are a dishonest, scummy, worthless crook. Your actions are morally repugnant.
Man, look at this guy all salty that ChatGPT writes a better paper than him. Do you yell at calculators too?
Man, look at this guy all butthurt when he is told what he wants to do is wrong.
Do you talk back to your teachers and parents when they try to convince you to read or learn too or are you of the type that thinks you have no future anyway, so it doesn't matter?
I'm a theoretical physicist. Think I know what I'm doing, but you go ahead and keep arguing with everyone. There's nothing wrong with using tools.
And I have 3 Ph. D's, black belts in Judo and Taekwondo, a $150 millon net worth so I clearly must know better than you.
Or maybe you should grow the fuck up and not blatantly lie to win an argument on the Internet.
Well then in that case you should know how this technology works, how it's widely used, and what it's good for. Instead you're just a sad, angry boomer who is mad at the world.
Btw I am a physicist, I don't need to lie.