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Can we please unpin the proprietary off-site/off-network promotion of discord (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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This is completely counter productive to growing Lemmy. I absolutely despise discord. Look at the network traffic it generates and tell me wtf they are doing. They won't tell you. Their business model will leave you completely dumbfounded as to how they exist. Everything shared on the platform is lost in a black hole unavailable to the outside world and everything shared is a privacy nightmare. Posting this, pinning it here, and locking it is one of the biggest trolls possible. It pisses me off every time I log in. "Everyone else does it" is the excuse of idiots. Discord makes absolutely no sense to anyone that actually cares to look into it, read the user agreement, and ask sane questions about what they are doing.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wonder whether matrix and/or matrix bridge has been mentioned before. Maybe discord + matrix bridge is a good enough compromise for reachability.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To get the privacy benefits wouldn't you need to forego bridges?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I have never hosted a bridge before so I may get things wrong. Please correct me where I do.

I assume this channel may be public, so any privacy concern needs to take that into account.

In terms of implementation, I was thinking that there would be 1 channel hosted on discord and 1 room on matrix being bridged together.

The benefit is that users of matrix and users of discord can participate in the same conversation without having to create an account on the other service. That way, matrix users don’t have to create a discord account or download discord app, which would be a good outcome in terms of privacy.

Edit: I have a faint memory that this is possible if the owners of the channel set it up on both ends. But I can’t find what the bridge is called, maybe it’s a different service from discord? Or I may have misunderstood things,

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I have matterbridge set-up on a private chatroom with few people between IRC, Discord and Matrix, because some of the ones I chat with don't really care much about these issues, and are not moving. On matterbridge the delay is significant in some cases and I encounter a few bugs as well. Plus, by having a Discord chatroom in the first place, most people are probably not going to join the other side. We shouldn't even promote Discord usage.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Damn that's a shame but I remember reading something similar about time delays with bridges. While I agree that we should try to stay away from discord, I still believe bridges, if working properly, can at least be a compromise. Maybe some folks over at discord could switch over due to the interactions of such bridges.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah never consider public rooms to be private, who knows whether there is a bit logging every message sent or whatnot

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

true, it’s more about the service provider that users trust. For example, some might be less comfortable with creating Discord acc, which sometimes requires a phone number to be associated. I’d also venture a guess that some users may not be comfortable with Discord logging their IP address or certain metadata captured when they log in to their Discord acc.