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Actually American gun owners have about 78-157 billion bullets stockpiled between them, most of them right-wing. They regularly train with their weapons and have made this second civil war into an important aspect of their culture. A lot of them believe it's the end times because the book of revelations talks of brother turning against brother.
The left is actually woefully untrained and outmatched, and that's because of years of nonviolence being browbeaten over their heads and used to propagandize them to do nothing to meaningfully advance any of their causes. The left was fattened up with decades of propaganda and are now ready for the slaughter.
So is the right, really. The only ones who are going to win this coming civil war are the BRICS countries.
Yes, they have a lot of guns. On the other hand, we've had to tell them, at least twice in my lifetime, not to drink bleach to cure diseases.
They won't last a week.
They're really, really not as stupid as you think and underestimating them to make yourself feel better will only result in suffering for you and yours. It's enabled them to do so much damage already.
If they're really so stupid, how did they manage to pack the courts and get abortion banned? Get Trump elected?
I'd say there are more gun-owning Democrats than there are critically thinking Republicans. Trump voters are the kind of people that fall for Nigerian prince email scams...twice.
They elect figurative Nigerian princes… every fucking time
You're confusing normal Americans with the owners of the country. Also, plenty of militant leftists are armed in the US and not all gun owners are crazy fascists.
The ones that think they can win a civil war are pretty fucking dumb. They do have a lot of weaponry though and that is something we should be concerned about and needs to be acted on.
A bunch of Dems arming up isn’t the answer though. We need to make sure the war mongers don’t get back in charge and we need to keep hunting down the dangerous threats and arresting there asses.
I've seen enough Doomsday Peppers to know that these "prepared" right wingers will be gasping for breath on the floor when it actually comes time to run and do something physically strenuous. Fat fucks couldn't even breath through a thin mask, their brain cells are the only thing they'll slaughter due to lack of oxygen.
That's what you hope. The reality is that they're armed and militant, and people will be shocked when they start going door to door.
Are you confusing Y'all Quaeda with the Gestapo? Wtf. Even if 100 militias somehow defied everything we've been seeing for decades and somehow evaded getting caught early in the planning phase due to the surveillance state, what makes you think anything they'd do wouldn't be shut down by military police within a week?
It sounds almost like you're getting off on a weird horror fantasy from a super shitty movie.
The denial about encroaching fascism makes about as much sense as denying climate change.
Right, comparing me to a science denying asshole without providing a single shred of argument.. definitely has me convinced now
A lot of the people brigading are actually alt-right dipshits from other servers. Some are left-wingers in denial ... and when this thing blows up next year, they might die. :(
!RemindMe 1 year
Does Lemmy even have a RemindMe bot?
Your ass is not a legitimate source to pull facts from.
Statistical averages are, however. 47% of Americans own a gun. They have on average 500-1000 bullets on hand at any one time, enough for one or two trips to their gun ranges, which totals up to 78 to 157 billion bullets.
Just because you are insulted when faced with the fact that the left is woefully unprepared for that does not make it not true. Reality does not bend to your wishes.
You can either accept the facts as I present them to you and prepare yourself, or when this whole thing blows up next year, suffer. Your choice.
As a left leaning individual with multiple firearms and plenty of ammunition for them, might want to consider there are plenty of us are part of that 47%.
Obviously a sample bias, but quite a few fellow veterans that I went to college with could put my meager collection to shame and share similar viewpoints.
That being said, your doomer outlook and gross oversimplification/assumptions are a joke. There will be no civil war, assholes will continue to be assholes, and you are still making this shit up as you type. Most of these Meal Team 6, cosplaying motherfuckers are too chickenshit to have an altercation where they aren't the only one with the scary broomstick, and 99% of the blowhards wouldn't last a day in an actual combat scenario let alone a "war".
Bigots are bigots and will constantly attempt to suppress that which doesn't align with their narrow minded worldview, however a civil war is not on the horizon.... JFC get over yourself.
I think liberal gun owners have 1. A much better grasp of the first rule of fight club, 2. Don't have a fetish about what amounts to a tool.
There's no real evidence to substantiate that claim, but a whole lot of right wingers are open about their gun ownership. Which I agree is stupid, but that's just how reality is.
Some sauce:
So clearly right wingers are twice as likely to own guns as left wingers, meaning they will likeky win a civil war when it comes down to it, and given what they want, you can't afford to continue being in denial about this. Your life is at stake here.
I take offense of your using "the left" to refer to the unarmed liberal masses.
That attitude is why the left will be killed by those right-wing cult scumbags.
Ok lib
Jesus Christ, you actually are offended 🤦 Look, if you care about ensuring the right wing loses, which you'll need to do to prevent fascism and genocide, you'll put aside your pride and fix the problem. You don't, and everyone suffers. It's as simple as that.
I think you're confusing us finding you insufferable with us being offended. Your weird little fantasies are cringey and boring, not offensive.
And you're really bad at hiding it, too. But the reality of my words is there whether you want to believe it or not. I can only lead you to water, you're the one who has to make the choice to drink. The only one who's gonna suffer from it is you and your family if you don't. 🤷
And you think all of that 47% are not only right-leaning, but crazy enough to use those firearms to murder people unprovoked?
I know so. I used to be a centrist who ran with them for several years, so I know their ways and habits, and how and what they think. They are just waiting for some kind of signal to start, and that signal will likely be Trump going to jail or being barred from the presidency under the Constitution upon conviction.
What moved you from a centrist to a militant leftist?
Interacting with them for a long time.
500-1k rounds is nothing. Most of us have usually 10-20k rounds. 500 rounds is what I burn through in a range day. Hell I've got probably 50k 22lr at this point alone. And that's just for plinking. 9mm/308/x39/556/54r/20g/12g/45 combined that's probably another 40k rounds.
Most of us buy in bulk, ammo isn't cheap, so when deals come around you buy as much as you can afford.
So I'd say your estimates are on the low end.
That just makes the situation even worse. I worry for next year.
Huh? Having ammo doesn't make anything worse. People have been stock piling it for decades now. Ammo doesn't expire if it's properly stored. I don't see how having it magically makes anything worse.
It does when it's mostly right wingers hankering for genocide doing it.
It kinda sounds like you listened to the original run of the "It Could Happen Here" podcast series a few too many times. It could happen here, but the probability of it sparking is very low, and even then the probability of that spark growing beyond anything more than localized/isolated incidents is even lower.
Flat out stupidity, this comment
OH MAN IM SO SCARED
Oh look, found an antifascist. Yeah, you guys are way too little in number to really be able to do anything about them and you guys know it. There is over a hundred million of them armed to the teeth and a few thousand of you, tops.
Look in the thread. A lot of these motherfuckers even deny that a second civil war is starting or has been going on. They cling too closely to their narrative that it's just hopelessly misguided brainwashed chumps committing random acts of violence instead of seeing it for what it really is: a collective act from a fascist political faction, and they cling to it because letting it go would send them down a spiral of fear because they cannot cope with the very real possibility they'll likely die at the hands of one of those cultists unless they change their perceptions and prepare.
So what makes you think you'll get the manpower to really stop the right? Can you convince enough left wingers that using violence against those scumfucks is okay in time? Can you convince the denialists in the thread to change their minds?
The right seems to be blinded by the thought that the US Military would support them, but luckily the modern US military would never support any side of a civil war and would simply squash any serious attempt of a fascist rebellion. What are they even going to be able to do? They can't shoot down drones with their AR-15s.
Actually a lot of veterans are right wingers and right wing regulatory capture is so extensive, including in the military, that some of it would, in fact, help them. But not one inch of it would help the left, in fact, all of it would only harm them under guise of keeping order like they did back in the 2020 uprising.
They would quash any serious attempt at civil war or revolt of or between any political extreme in order to maintain the current status quo. The government and the military are both owned by the corporate class. The left is a very very small minority in the US and they don't even have a mainstream political influence or party. The US just has the socially liberal right-of-center Democrat party and the far-right conservative Republican party.
The right wing has succeeded at enough regulatory capture that they only stand to benefit from the military "intervening" AKA helping them.
There was a skirmish of left vs. right protesters a couple of months ago at some school board meeting. The right wingers were the clear aggressors, but the police only arrested the left wingers.
That's what the military would actually do, accomplishing the goal of slapping down the left, all under the guise of legality and status quo.
And you'll fall for it.
Well, I suppose we'll just have to disagree, but even though I find your opinions and perspectives to be mostly generalized embellishments and without nuance I still appreciate you for providing them.
Well, I find your denialism stupid, dangerous and harmful for this country too, but we're pretending to agree to disagree so we can be sarcastic and fire emotional barbs at each other on the down low, so who am I to judge?
Glad that you agree.
Imagine speaking derisively about anti-fascism. That kind of makes your a fascist.
Imagine calling yourself an antifascist while refusing to acknowledge basic and obvious problems your group has that can and will be exploited by the right wing when they snap and try to kill you all next year.
Could you possibly stop being arrogant for five minutes and genuinely look at the situation objectively?
Right wing gun owners average BMI is like 40+
All the guns in the world won't help you win a war if you can barely walk a mile without getting winded.
Has anyone ever done a study or survey on that?