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Why did Beehive decide to defederate?
Since lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works didn't have any restrictions on making accounts they were getting a lot of trolls coming from those 2 instances so they defederated from them until the moderation tools become more advanced.
Given that kbin (or at least kbin.social) generally doesn't have restrictions on making accounts either I would assume we're next, eventually.
This is what all us kbinauts were thinking and a few of us asked beehaw and their response was literally "who are you? we don't even think about you" lol. so I think we're probably fine.
I'm sure we'd live somehow
If it comes to that... It is what it is!
I don't need big instances directly piped into my vein to have a good time on the internet.
And if they do, nothing of value is lost.
The community in Beehaw are all cool people, but their weird rules and heavy filtering puts me off.
Beehaw admins give me vibes of a power-hungry reddit mods or overbearing parent who thinks they know better than me.
I'll stick with other instances that allow adults to speak with adult language. I'm sick of the fucking nanny caretaker censoring bullshit that forums tend to eventually become.
I can understand the value of making your community a more tight-knit one with a proactive stance on moderation, that's how Tildes operate and they're doing fine. The thing is I'm not sure I understand why, given this goal, Beehaw is part of the Fediverse in the first place, where there isn't much preventing someone from an outside group coming in. This sounds like a case where a centralized instance makes more sense. Maybe they're trying to see if such a community can exist on the Fediverse, in which case fair enough, but this seems like an uphill road.
Here's the truth. They want a safe space. If you question the admins they will ban you. You must be militantly polite or your gone
They explicitly state that they're making a safe space in their TOS thing, no?
Yes? That's explicitly the purpose. I get it's shitty but it's pretty stupid to go to a place where they outright tell you they're going to censor you and then get mad that they do it
What does "militantly polite" mean?
Overbearingly respectful, almost groveling, to their admins if you misspeak.
Do you have any examples of this?
Except... that's not what they say anywhere. In fact they wrote three nuanced essays that explain in detail their philosophy, and lay out that you CAN be critical of something (i.e. feminism) in a nice way that acknowledges your humanity and the humanity of others, and that if Feminists come in and flame you over it, THOSE are the people who will be getting warnings and bans. They want a mature community that fosters mutual understanding when disagreements arise. So when someone says "feminism bad" like they have a 26 character limit that doesn't exist, they see it not as disagreement but as disrespect.
This still sounds like you are just guessing. Can you actually provide examples of this happening? With the moderation log being public we should be able to easily see who got banned for what.
https://beehaw.org/modlog
Took me like 10 seconds to find it, it's at the same place as for every other instance.
I very much disagree with "no examples needed", if you can't provide any then you're just talking out of your ass.
They only have 4 admins and don't allow users to create communities. It's highly curated, but also can't handle the influx of users from other instances until they have better mod tools, or change their position.
The solution was to ask for more volunteer mods, not the nuclear option.
Its surpassing how much they want to control what other people see.
100% agree, and their need for control is a huge red flag. I don't really want them federated tbh. Already they are trying to use their control over several large communities to influence other instances policies.