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How do you get your team to write tests? (self.experienced_devs)
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by kersplort to c/experienced_devs
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I'm like a test unitarian. Unit tests? Great. Integration tests? Awesome. End to end tests? If you're into that kind of thing, go for it. Coverage of lines of code doesn't matter. Coverage of critical business functions does. I think TDD can be a cult, but writing software that way for a little bit is a good training exercise.

I'm a senior engineer at a small startup. We need to move fast, ship new stuff fast, and get things moving. We've got CICD running mocked unit tests, integration tests, and end to end tests, with patterns and tooling for each.

I have support from the CTO in getting more testing in, and I'm able to use testing to cover bugs and regressions, and there's solid testing on a few critical user path features. However, I get resistance from the team on getting enough testing to prevent regressions going forward.

The resistance is usually along lines like:

  • You shouldn't have to refactor to test something
  • We shouldn't use mocks, only integration testing works.
    • Repeat for test types N and M
  • We can't test yet, we're going to make changes soon.

How can I convince the team that the tools available to them will help, and will improve their productivity and cut down time having to firefight?

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[โ€“] sip 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

yea but if we both aren't really keen on writing tests and I review you, it would be in my lazy ass' interest to ๐Ÿ‘ without tests.

[โ€“] CodeMonkey 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That should be a disciplinary issue. The engineers in question should be brought forth in front of management to explain why they thought that this particular change should be exempt from testing and why this was not explained, in detail, in the code review.

[โ€“] lysdexic 9 points 1 year ago

That should be a disciplinary issue.

And that's how you get teams to stop collaborating and turn your work environment to shit.