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Ukraine’s national anti-corruption agency added Bacardi Limited to its list of international war sponsors, citing the company’s continued business and tax payments in Russia.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Ehhh...I dunno. Russia also produces grain, and I bet that means that they produce alcohol.

goes looking

https://atlas.cid.harvard.edu/explore?country=186&queryLevel=location&product=837&year=2021&productClass=HS&target=Product&partner=undefined&startYear=undefined

https://atlas.cid.harvard.edu/explore?country=186&queryLevel=location&product=837&year=2021&tradeDirection=import&productClass=HS&target=Product&partner=undefined&startYear=undefined

Okay, so based on liquors, in 2021, $212 million in exports, $832 million in imports.

Beer is $141 million in exports, $361 million in imports.

Wine is $11.5 million in exports, $842 million in imports.

So, yeah, you're right, I guess -- unless I've missed some sort of category of drink -- that Russia's definitely a net importer of alcoholic beverages.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Who tf is importing Russian wine? They should be in the Hague just for trying to push that on the world.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

https://atlas.cid.harvard.edu/explore?country=186&queryLevel=location&product=833&year=2021&productClass=HS&target=Product&partner=undefined&startYear=undefined

This is for 2021; I suspect that a few numbers have likely changed significantly.

  • 42.75% of Russian wine exports went to Ukraine.

  • 11.52% to China.

  • 11.12% of Kazakhstan

  • 8% to Belarus

  • 5.22% to Latvia

I'm gonna stop at 5%, but you can go look at the treemap if you want more detail (like I said, though, the entire exports in 2021 were $11.5 million, so it's not a whole lot...I would guess that the numbers could be pretty noisy from year to year).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's only 165k but who on earth is importing Russian wine in France?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

guesses

Russian restaurants in France?

googles

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g187147-d718634-Reviews-La_Cantine_Russe-Paris_Ile_de_France.html

La Cantine Russe

European,Russian, Eastern European

googles for a wine menu

https://cdn.eat-list.fr/establishment/menu/gallery_menu/75016-paris-16/la-cantine-russe_2679_40b.jpg

Yeah, they have Russian wines listed. Under the champagne section, but I'm assuming that that's a listing error, given that France has a bit of a spat with Russia over what constitutes champagne.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57733684

France has hit back at a new Russian law ordering French champagne makers to label their bottles as sparkling wine.

France has strict rules protecting its bubbly, meaning to be called champagne it must be from the French region that shares the name.

But under Russia's new law, only local producers can call their drinks "shampanskoye" - the Russian equivalent of champagne.

France's main champagne industry group called the law "unacceptable".

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Having had a decent amount of Chinese wine, all I can say is Russian can't be worse?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Maybe it is code for something less vile, like irradiated soil.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That doesn't count alcohol produced and consumed domestically. While they might import a lot, they might produce more and drink it themselves.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Yeah, true, but I wasn't trying so much to find whether there was a lot of alcohol being consumed. My aim was more to see whether Russia was a net importer or exporter, since the claim was that alcohol producers [outside Russia] would be upset with the Russian sanctions, that it would cut the producers off from the Russian market.

However, if Russia were a net exporter and you are an alcohol producer, then it'd be removing more competition than it would be closing off markets; producers would likely benefit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I see not too many people outside of Russia are desperate enough to drink Russian wine, but more than I thought.