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Windows Was The Problem All Along - Dave2D

We could obviously compare performance between windows and steamOS before on the steam deck, or between windows and Bazzite on other handhelds. But this is the first time we have had official windows and SteamOS builds for the same hardware.

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[–] [email protected] 100 points 5 days ago (1 children)

A performance uplift plus double or tripled battery life compared to running on Windows.....hot damn that's impressive.

Get rekt Windows.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)

What's nice is that Microsoft today doesn't have capability to improve in the short or even medium term. They could drop a billion dollars into it and it would still take them years to improve their offering, if they can at all.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago (2 children)

And why would they? They're printing so much money, this niche probably doesn't make a dent.

It doesn't matter if Windows is the best system for gaming. It just matters if people believe it is.

You can always justify using Windows. "How do I get Game Pass to work on my handheld?" is probably something people care about.

Granted this is an expensive way to lock customers into your platform, but they're already doing it anyways, so no need to pour money into the OS experience when you can just sell services building on customer data.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It'd be great if they truly believed this, but that's just the image they like to project, the truth is that this has them deathly afraid.

You've got mainstream media covering it, folks like digital foundry openly talking about how Windows is the worst part of Windows handhelds. They can't let this stand, so they're actively working against it.

Just like the faster zombies blog post in 2012 scared them into boosting d3d development and eventually led to the release of d3d12, this will make them actually invest in gaming for a change.

All the chatter about xbox branded handhelds is an easy tell, but like the blog post we might not discover the true extent until years later.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

I am sure that MS is very concerned. If i take my usecase, the things that held me on windows from dos5/Win3.1 up to Windows10 were gaming and that i grew up with it. I sometimes dabbled in linux, but since there was no meaningful way to use my game library, i switched back, because even dualbooting made no sense (what for? just so i can boot back after browsing a few web pages?)

This time after 3 days i deleted my windows partition, even while i was still fighting a bit with the Wayland/NVidia combo - that was shortly after the explicit sync drivers were available.

The young'ins want to play their games, and now they can without ever coming into contact with microsoft at all if not for the anticheat-outliers (who knows, maybe there's some money flowing that stops them from activating linux support? i know most anticheat in theory does work under linux). And if they start playing on Linux, there's no reason for them to switch over to Windows at all.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

It’s not about the short term, it’s about the long term.

Windows should consider proton and steam an existential threat.

MS (and APR) give away their keystone software windows, office, etc in order to “get them young” and make sure that young kids grow up using their software.

Majority of kids interactions with computers is mobile, gaming, and schoolwork.

MS has nothing in mobile, gaming is getting more crowded and school both Apple and Google are muscling in

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Because they aren't just optimizing for gaming.

Any change they make would influence their other markets as well, like general and office use.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

They made an attempt. It's called Windows RT. It's a sandbox more locked down than iOS.

The Win32 desktop environment isn't built to support stuff like "timer coalescing" for all the API calls which all the software is designed to run continously in the background. Changing how it idles would change so many things which all kinds of software depends on that it would barely be the same OS anymore.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Realistically the design goals of a gaming OS vs a general desktop OS aren't that different. You want to balance performance, batterlife/power consumption, and making sure it withstands insane abuse by users and software doing anything you could never imagine that nobody should have ever tried to do. About the only design goal that separates SteamOS from Windows is fleet manageability features

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

You are forgetting backwards compatibility with ancient software that Windows still supports after 30+ years.

A lot of businesses need that in order to function.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

It's worse than that. MS could quickly turn the boat around. They have the cash. They have the manpower (well, have recently fired). The only thing they don't have is THE ABILITY TO THINK ABOUT ANYTHING BUT AI AI AI AI GOTTA HAVE AI AIIIIIIII. The brainrot has eaten Nadella, and eaten the whole board.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

I'd wager they could cut a lot of cruft from a handheld gaming device specific version of Windows.

I bet Antimalware Service Executable is still randomly springing it's way to the top of task manager in this build. All sorts of crap that just doesn't need to be running. On my PC right now I can see Service Host: DNS Client at 1-4% all the fucking time. Random driver update checks that run in fucking Electron for some godforsaken reason. That kind of shit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I disagree. Take Windows, remove the bloat, slap a game-focused GUI on it, call it XBOX and Bob's your uncle.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

If Xbox Series S would have run all my Steam games, I'd have bought one in a heartbeat.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

There are rumors they plan to do this with the first Xbox handheld.