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When vegans attack! (lemmy.world)

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

The bottom two quadrants are indeed not making that up.

Green is not making that up. Meat and animal products are abysmal for the environment. As an example from that study, see milk. As an isolated example people usually think of as innocent: honey in the US is produced by the European honeybee, an invasive species we brought over to outcompete and consequently decimate local honeybee populations. A whole-foods plant-based diet is the most environmentally sustainable diet. There are so many reasons that if I got into them, I may as well make a dedicated write-up with dozens of sources; sorry for pulling a Fermat.
Yellow is not making that up. If you live in the US, meat and animal products are so relatively cheap thanks to 1) subsidies and 2) the fact that their economies of scale have essentially been pushed as far as possible*. Production of these items is not cheap. Even in spite of these overwhelming subsidies and economies of scale, a vegan and vegetarian diet is cheaper than a typical omnivorous one. On top of this, a massive, snowballing body of scientific evidence continues to show that a plant-based diet is healthier with respect to long-term health than a typical omnivorous one. If you consider your health a cost, then it's less costly to your wallet and to your body.

* EDIT: So far, in fact, that egg prices are now ballooning (recent drop due to imports etc.) from us packing birds so close together that commercial egg production has turned into a game of The Last of Clucks. Good job, humans. 🥳

[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I have to say, I'm highly skeptical of anyone who says that meat is bad for you. It is delicious, satiating, and full of nutrients. With a few exceptions, it is seen as a prized food in almost every culture in the world. Even in cultures which ban some meats, other meats are still eaten as often as possible. And in cultures with a total ban on all meat, they eat other animal products.

The reality is, data on the relationship between health and meat eating will invariably be skewed since meat eating is the default, while not eating meat takes conscious effort, which implies that the non-meat-eater puts at least some thought into what they are eating. While a vegan eating a meal of seitán, brocholli, and brown rice is certainly healthy, I have a hard time believing it is substantially more healthy compared to substituting the seitán for a grilled pork chop. But comparing a vegan diet to a "normal" omnivorous diet isn't doing this, since a normal modern diet also includes a healthy serving of Doritos, Slim Jims, and Little Debbie snack cakes.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

Argumentum ad populum