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On any of the donation threads where it came up and he replied to it, the most he ever did was some half hearted corporate PR "apology" (ironic)
A lot of people didn't see a problem with segregating water fountains by race, either.
yeah but segregating water fountains is different because the only reason it was done was bc of racism, there only needs to be one fountain
in sports men are inheritly stronger than women, so it makes sense to segregate them like that. now idk about how people transitioning from male to female or visa versa works with this, but if someone who was born male transitions to female but somehow retains some of that inherit strength (like say, they've got different bone structure or their muscles developed differently, or something that hormones cant change), I think they could have an advantage over other women in that sport.
I don't wanna come off as transphobic or something, I don't know much about all this, but I hope you see my point
I suspect the fact that you don't know much about it is why you are parroting widely discredited transphobic talking points.
The point is that today, we see clearly with the benefit of hindsight that racial segregation was done purely for the sake of racism. At the time, people muddied the waters with pseudoscientific rationalizations like phrenology and eugenics to mislead the masses and justify their bigotry, just like people are doing today with trans people in sports.
The only reason water fountains are seen as different is because the racists lost and we collectively have a new perspective after decades of integration. The transphobes are still empowered. Make no mistake, the bigots would love to reinstate all manner of segregation if they could, racial or otherwise. Trans people are just an easier target right now.
Do you disagree that men have a biological advantage over women when it comes to physical prowess and strength?
bad comparison
Trans aren't oppressed like black people were
We're not playing the "who had it worse" game because everyone loses.
But they are absolutely fucking oppressed.
Where do you base this on?
also i'm not sure if slavery and lynching are the same as being denied a bathroom.
Base what on? The countless stories of transgender (and cis misgendered) people being harassed in and around bathrooms?
The understanding based on real world experience that many transgender people pass as their gender, and therefore are clearly out of place in bathrooms meant for the gender that was assigned to them at birth?
The executive orders attempting to erase the recognition of transgender people entirely and require them to have the same gender listed on their passport as they did on their birth certificate? The State Department not returning or renewing passports for transgender people?
How many times does this need to be said? How many times do majorities need to fucking hear this about minorities?
I mean you're kinda making a blanket statement, I can't really work with 'countless stories' -- Can ya specify?
And please, don't hold me accountable for making the comparison. I never made the comparison, perhaps you should tell the above user
And also, I'm not a majority. I'm a minority as well.
Here you go. Please see... oh, pretty much any result. Throw a dart if you like. I don't need to specify, because frankly if you somehow missed every last news story, social media post, or just the constantly escalating hateful rhetoric against them, then you absolutely shouldn't be fucking talking about it.
No, you made the contrast. You were the one that suggested that one situation is oppression and the other is not.
If you're cisgender, you're the majority to their minority. You are a majority to them, playing the "who has it worse" game, where again, everyone loses.
Seems to be only in the US and biased articles. I can't anything about other countries.
I hope you see the irony in this lol
tho, I am curious, why not just use unisex bathrooms? Wouldn't that be a solution everyone can get behind?
Where exactly did you think we were talking about? What kind of bad faith shit is this?
And biased articles? My god. Biased against what? Transphobia? What about the edu articles? The research papers? Do you need assistance operating the search engine?
I'm sorry, could you explain the irony? Do you think oppressed minorities can't also be oppressors? That they can't be misogynists, homophobes, transphobes, or just good-old-fashioned racists themselves?
Unisex bathrooms are a solution that almost everyone transgender or ally gets behind. But they don't currently exist in most places that need more than two toilets in the building. I should clarify, because apparently I need to - we're talking about the United States.
And, by the way, "maybe they should just have a separate place to go to the bathroom"?
Sound familiar? Does it sound like segregation? Because it is. They should be able to use the bathroom for their gender without being fucking harassed, or worrying about being harassed. End of story.
I'm not going to talk about the US. It's a clown country.
You know exactly what you're doing. I can't believe you're a mod, you fucking clown.
Okay, I concede that the situation in the US is concerning for trans and queer folk. I tend not to think of US defaultism when discussing social issues.
Do you accept that?
I don't. This entire conversation has been in such bad faith. You really can't pretend that this is about "US defaultism" now when you have been so obtuse about it all along.
I think you know exactly what you're doing. Arguing that transgender people aren't oppressed, while pretending that the rising epicenter of their oppression isn't relevant to the conversation.
That's how you fucking sound.
Edit - and for the record, there's plenty of countries where being transgender has always been a death sentence. So whatever you think about "US defaultism", you sure defaulted to a stupid position.