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The share of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents who believe that President Joe Biden’s 2020 election win was not legitimate has ticked back up, according to a new CNN poll fielded throughout July. All told, 69% of Republicans and Republican-leaners say Biden’s win was not legitimate, up from 63% earlier this year and through last fall, even as there is no evidence of election fraud that would have altered the outcome of the contest.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In light of seeing your fellow conservatives move farther right (and thus, kinda push the definition of the body of conservative beliefs farther right), on what grounds do you still identify as conservative? What does being a conservative mean to you?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

(and thus, kinda push the definition of the body of conservative beliefs farther right)

I don't really agree with this. The republican party shifting doesn't mean the ideals of conservative ideology changes.

On the other side of the coin, just because democrats are starting to become more socialist, does that mean that liberal ideologies are changing?

I'm still a conservative because I believe in tradition, I believe in small government and a country that abides by the constitution is the best way to govern. I believe in the free market and put more emphasis on a states individuality rather than having a large federal government.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The "other side of the coin" in this instance is a fiction. The Democratic Party is in no meaningful sense of the word becoming "socialist".

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Democratic Party is in no meaningful sense of the word becoming “socialist”.

They have self proclaimed socialists in office, and I have a self proclaimed communist on my city council.

You're saying that socialists in this country are fiction because they don't know about it? I'm confused your stance.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They're saying that, as a party, it's absurd to think the democratic party is becoming more socialist. For decades now, it has been a big tent party of not-crazy and stupid assholes. If anything, it moved startlingly rightwards for years as it absorbed more and more not-crazy and stupid assholes from the other side. Every now and then, there is a punctuated moment where single elements of single policies might represent a brief skip leftwards and here and there you have examples of individual members claiming to be socialist, communist, fucking whatever. But it's foolish to think that's representative of the party as a whole.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'll need any source you can provide to back what you're saying up. Here is a list of socialists in office, and as you can see, there are more now than any point in history in the U.S.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As a non-american, the idea that the Democrats are becoming more socialist is hilarious. At best, they're getting closer to the centre (from the right). Lemme know when they start proposing an end to health profiteering and stronger union protections :P

This is not a hostile comment, hats off to you for being able to talk openly about your ideas and hear differening opinions 🎩

Democracies around the world really need more of that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And socialist countries are far right to communist countries, that's why we don't compare our political parties internationally.

There are more socialists currently representing people from the democratic party than ever before, and the party is moving more socialist, those are facts. Are you arguing against that?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I think many are simply arguing against your unconventional use of the term "socialist" to describe politicians who are definitely not socialist.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Well it seems that they have a problem with the democratic party incorrectly using the term socialist. They have been for awhile, they call scandinavian countries socialist when they're not at all. If some democrats claim they're socialists, and run on a socialist platform, I'll call them socialist.