Fediverse vs Disinformation
Pointing out, debunking, and spreading awareness about state- and company-sponsored astroturfing on Lemmy and elsewhere. This includes social media manipulation, propaganda, and disinformation campaigns, among others.
Propaganda and disinformation are a big problem on the internet, and the Fediverse is no exception.
What's the difference between misinformation and disinformation? The inadvertent spread of false information is misinformation. Disinformation is the intentional spread of falsehoods.
By equipping yourself with knowledge of current disinformation campaigns by state actors, corporations and their cheerleaders, you will be better able to identify, report and (hopefully) remove content matching known disinformation campaigns.
Community rules
Same as instance rules, plus:
- No disinformation
- Posts must be relevant to the topic of astroturfing, propaganda and/or disinformation
Related websites
- EU vs Disinfo
- FactCheck.org
- PolitiFact
- Snopes
- Media Bias / Fact Check
- PEN America
- Media Matters
- FAIR
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Let’s try an experiment. What was the wording I used when I explained this concept recently? What was my criticism of connecting this particular economic framework to current world events in the real world?
Link?
https://ponder.cat/u/PhilipTheBucket
You will have to read down to the second comment to find it. Well, third comment now.
https://ponder.cat/post/2310062/2618268 ?
The point that I am making is that it feels like you’re not bothering to read anything I am writing, and just repeating over and over again that this is a coherent plan by some particular people (which, sure it is) and explaining how the plan works.
I do understand how the currency devaluation plan works. I actually led off quite a while ago by explaining it, more or less the same way you had. I’m wondering if you know what my explanation was, and what my main criticisms were of applying that theory to the current world situation. I feel like you don’t, and this is one of those conversations where you just repeat your side over and over again until the other person gives up and goes away.
So tell me: What are my main criticisms? In your own words? I don’t want to give you a link to the exact comment, I feel like that would take away the opportunity for enrichment by finding them and reading them and going through the exercise of stating what it is that you think they say.
Please link to them so I can know
lol sure
https://ponder.cat/post/2310045/2616899
https://ponder.cat/post/2310062/2618197
There’s the cheat sheet, my criticism of the theory in the first place, and then my separate criticism of its success level when being placed in Trump’s hands to execute.
So summarize for me: What is my main argument in both fronts?
Yes boss! Lol
Defaulting on treasury bills is bad
lack of domestic manufacturing capacity
"the history of where global capital chooses to site factories argues strongly against them moving them back to the US even with a cheaper dollar." – I don't know if that counts as a separate point, it's a bit vague for me
You could also mention accelerated de-dollarisation, a recession shrinking purchasing power, and the danger that the ruling clique will lose political power/backing halfway through the plan.
Sounds good. What was my criticism of applying this particular theoretical framework to what’s going to happen in reality now? Separate from whether the framework is accurate?
I’m not trying to be a dick in asking you this type of question, but I’ve repeated myself a bunch of times on it now. You don’t have to agree with it, I’m just curious what you think my main criticisms are.
Orange man bad? That's what's been taking up the bulk of your word-count.
Nope. Want to try again?
I actually listed a few different examples and supporting arguments, some sarcastically and some not.
Mate stop wasting my time and say your point.
I did. You ignored it. That’s why I am doing this alternate approach.
I actually specifically addressed the characterization of what I said as “Orange man bad,” by way of a contrasting example with some pro-Trump stuff I would agree with.
If you’re not really able to read and comprehend, or get offended at the suggestion that it might be important that you do so, then I think I don’t care what your opinion is on these economic theories or these world events. It might be filtered through whatever conceptual blinkers are making it so hard for you to comprehend what I am saying here and causing you to default back to just repeating what you wanted to say.
uh-huh uh-huh, now get to the point
What was your criticism of connecting this particular economic framework to current world events in the real world?
Okay so clearly the time I spent actually explaining clearly where I was coming from, why I was sort of being a jerk and and what my concern was, and pointing you to the specific messages to read because it was kind of unreasonable to tell you just to go hunting through my profile at unspecified length, was wasted.
Again: If I explain it a few times, and you either can’t or won’t pick it up after that, I don’t feel like just making the attempt repeatedly forever. Sorry if that gives offense.
Wait, are you saying THIS is what you are calling your "explanation"?
So it won't work because Orange Man Bad.
Lol
You read the place where I said I've already addressed it, and failed to notice that part, and only noticed the part where I quickly touched on the TLDR of what I'd already addressed in more detail previously. Is that what happened?
This definitely sounds like a reading comprehension issue. Slow down. Read! It is good for you.
I've read all 19 of your comments in the two threads. Apart from the points about Treasury Bills and manufacturing capacity, you keep saying you have another analysis there but the rest of us are not smart enough to see it. It's incredibly obviously a naked emperor.
There's also this:
You've given your argument before that Trump is "one random guy", and it's erroneous to focus on him when talking about tariffs or talking about this article. Still want to stick with that? I merely ask for information.
That wasnt so hard was it??
I mean apparently it defeated you lol. Like I said, I'm trying to help you with your reading comprehension and research abilities apparently.
Also:
Your explanation of why the plan won't work is Orange Man Bad. You wasted time with the naked emperor act, but it's still naked.
The tariff plan won't work if:
The Americans lack the political trust and international goodwill to make a 'Mar-A-Lago Accord' and the international community makes an exclusionary deal. I think this isn't very likely because of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_consumer_markets
The Americans don't execute the plan in 3¾yr and the new government backs down from the plan.
The USA lacks can't build/import industrial capacity before the political support for the plan runs out. China built a manufacturing industry in 20-25yr, but they build faster.
The world responds with accelerated de-dollarisation. Then perhaps a trade deal/tariff deal would happen but they'd lose the exorbitant privilege they've had for 81 years.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dedollarisation / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exorbitant_privilege
If the oligarchs force a climbdown because of the asset crash
If the common people force a climbdown because of the cost-of-living hike (least likely)