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the democrats bravely tried to beat trump at the last election anyway they could
you've been campaigning against them the whole time and helped trump get elected
i guess that doesn't make you a coward, not sure what it does make you though
Yeah, bravely tried to beat Trump by ignoring their constituents, handwaving a genocide, kowtowing to corporate donors and trying to appeal to moderate Republicans who have been told non-stop for the past 40 years that Democrats are evil and out to destroy the country.
When your constituents want change and you campaign on keeping things the same, that's a colossal failure of party leadership, and it shouldn't be surprising that your voters will become disillusioned and stay home.
Since you don't know what it takes to win elections, keep it to yourself.
You have to decide between whatever brain-rot logic around electoralism has brought you to the place where you are and winning elections. You don't get to have both.
that's right between campaigning against the democrats and campaigning against trump you chose the democrats and helped trump win
it must have been such a hard choice between project 2025 and not-fascists
you must have been huffing so much putin propaganda you could barely see
Which would you rather have?
Would you like the Democrat to have won the election, or do you want to be "correct" in your approach to politics?
You don't get to have both.
And to be clear: You aren't actually arguing with me. Its the 6 million Democrats who showed up for Biden, but who failed to be convinced by this approach to rhetoric.
So it all comes back to you. I made my case ad-naseum, begging Democrats to change their rhetoric, their approach to electoralism, because it was incredibly clear that the manner in which Democrats were campaigning and approaching the election would lose. People with a mental disorder interpret that argument as an attack on the Democratic candidate.
It would be great if I was wrong; if it was fine for Harris to have run, effectively as a rightwing canddiate, and have won the election. But she didn't win the election. I wasn't wrong in my analysis, before, during, and after, that the manner in which Harris was campaigning (and Biden before her) was going to lose the election.
If you take that as me making an argument against Harris, or for Trump, you should seek help with your mind.
It all comes down to you and a choice you still have available to you: Are you willing to change your mind such that we can get Democrats to win elections, or, are you more heavily invested in a deluded approach to electoralism, where you get to claim a form of psychological correctness, but can't win elections?
at least you admit you were campaigning against the democrats the whole time
you wanted trump sooo badly
as a socialist did you miss those great authoritarian times you get with trump and hamas
if these are the things you think, you are broken.
You are doing the job a of defeating the Democrats before there is even an election.
i'm fine, but you don't realize you enabled trump's fascism and support fascism in the middle east
you're still trying to destroy the democrats due to your magical socialist ideology
the democrats are alive and well and voters will flock to them now they realize you sold them fundamentalist lies that caused incredible damage to their country
If you conducted yourself this way during the campaign, and I think we can only assume you did, you played directly into the Republicans strategy and cost the US it's democracy.
no i was the one supporting the democrats unlike yourself
That's where you are wrong bucko.
If you let a blue dog lead you off the cliff, it's not the dogs fault: it's yours.
are you sure you were fully supporting the democrats a year ago?
are you sure?
i can see why you're attracted to socialism, it is just an artistic fantasy
I mean you just keep trying to project narratives onto what I'm actually saying instead of addressing what I'm actually saying.
If this is how you approach people trying to convince them to vote Democrat, not even having the comprehension to actually listen to them, then it should be obvious to you how you cost the Democrats this election.
so why did you campaign against the democrats?
did you just want to destroy the US?
👆
Edit: Here, let me help you understand yourself; the definition of what you are doing:
that describes your inability to confront that you helped trump to victory perfectly
You damaged the ability of Democrats to win the election by preventing us from moving them to an electable position. You project onto people who were genuinely trying to help Democrats not lose, because they wanted Democrats to move away positions which were unelectable (pro-billionaire, campaigning with Cheney, pro-genocide, etc..), this idea that by asking/ demanding Democrats do better, that they were the ones doing the damage, when in-fact, by attacking them, it was you doing the damage. I know deep inside you, you know this.
In the future, just keep all your political opinions and strategies to yourself, so that we can actually get Democrats to win elections. If you keep demanding that your approach to electoralism be elevated and centered; the strategy of silencing criticisms and carrying water for bad policy; the strategy of marginalizing voices in a big tent party: if you keep demanding this, the Democrats will never win another election again.
Because the fact of the matter is: you are a loser.
As in, your strategy, your approach to electoralism was precisely what was elevated, centered, and focused on by Democratic strategists this election: and its a losing strategy. It lost the election. We've received the wages of your approach: Trump.
So in the future, just stfu and get carried by your political betters.
i didn't stop you from doing anything unfortunately
i tried to support the democrats because i saw the danger of trump
you just cared about taking away votes from the democrats by blaming them for gaza, and ridiculously calling them a billionaire republican party
because you're a fundamentalist that hates the US and democracy and loves terrorists
as you said, stop projecting and take responsibility
Look, its obvious you don't understand politics. If you don't keep it to yourself in the future and allow us to move the Democrats to a position they can actually win from, they WILL lose again.
6 million people didn't show up the this election because of the Democrats position on Gaza. They didn't need to be told that voting for a pro-genocide candidate was a bad thing. Its the politicians that needed to move to where the members of their party were. By defending these indefensible positions, you created a permission structure were Democratic politicians believed they didn't have to change their policy.
It wasn't the activist left that convinced people that supporting a genocide is a bad thing. Thats just, a basic morality every person should have. What did you think was going to happen running a pro-genocide candidate in the anti-genocide party? What did you think was going to happen running a pro-billionaire candidate in the anti-billionaire party?
Its physically impossible and completely impractical to "move" the voters of the Democratic party in a single election cycle, let alone an extremely compressed one like we experienced. Not just that, but these policy positions are ones that have been cultivated for literally decades under the Democratic brand. And you expected to do what? Shift the entire philosophical and rhetorical basis of the modern Democratic party in 12 weeks? Through suppression?
Actually take a beat and think about your approach to rhetoric: Its quite literally, epifacial, preposterous.
So I'm sorry that you hurt us. It sucks. It sucks that the damage you've done to this country. We could have won. But we needed to move the candidate. And your answer to that was to demonize anyone trying to save the election from the damage you were doing.
And I know I'm not actually convincing you of anything, but by continuing to respond, you give me the opportunity to convince others the absurdity of your perspective. And it is working. I am shifting the basis and I know it, because I've seen how the tone and narrative has shifted. This is theatrics. Its a performance, and it works.
So thank you for being my partner in this dance. The more you respond, the deeper and more obvious the idiocy is that underpins your approach becomes; the more people are convinced and develop support for my approach.
Please continue; I can do this all day, and you are helping me gather people to my approach to politics.
that's right you did make a big deal out of gaza didn't you, because you love terrorists and hate democrats
why do you love the terrorists so much, is it their refusal to make peace for 100 years?
Please. Stop. How will I ever convince any one the absurdity of your position with you putting out rhetoric like this? (hard /s)
But seriously, your answer to my point is just racism? Or further: Is it that you actually want the Democrats to become a party of racists? What exactly is it that you are arguing for? Your answer to being against a genocide is to call the people being genocided all terrorists?
Is this it? Have we gotten to your core? Is this why you didn't want the Democrats to stand up against genocide?
Can't you do better? This game isn't (as) fun if you can't do better than simply being racist. Then of course we'll have to get you banned from .world too.
hey are you doing that projection thing again? naughty
so you wanted to save the terrorists and help them keep the hostages
and you thought the best way to do that was defeat the democrats and help trump get elected
don't you think they would have had more leverage with the democrats than with trump?
I'm not the one who called all Gazans terrorists; you did and its a deeply racist sentiment. Once I get you to fully document this, I'll of course be reporting you for racism.
To be clear, you think all Gazans are terrorists? Or that they are all expendable?
I mean, if this was the voter that the Democrats were catering to, its obvious why the lost. Thankfully, the vast majority of Democratic voters aren't racist like this.
I mean if all you wanted to do was support genocide, why didn't you just go be a Republican? We could have stopped Trump if we could have gotten the candidate to oppose genocide. Obviously, as a defender of genocide, that was a deal breaker for you. But you had another pro-genocide option. So you could have still voted your racist, pro-genocide conscious and we still could have beaten Trump.
wooooooow i think you out-of-body projected there
such evasion, come on would it have been better for the gazans with harris as president?
Don't pretend to care about the people of Gaza. You literally just called them all terrorists and expendable.
You don't care about the people of Gaza and you never have. You exposed your true self not more than 2 replies back: It was less important for you for the Democrats to win the election, than it was that they keep a pro-genocide stance.,
You are pro-genocide, and if the party would have turned against that, it would have been a problem for you.
So it comes back to the first point which started this all: If Democrats are centering a racist and progenocide voters priorities, they will not win elections.
Thank you for giving us a lens into your thinking. You've even given me considerations I hadn't had before. Previously I assumed this "shut the fuck up and line up behind in support of genocide" approach to politics coming from your camp as based in fear. That you genuinely were afraid of Trump, of losing to Trump, of the consequences of that. I had offered you at least the charity that it wasn't something more nefarious.
But you've done the work for me. For you, it was never about beating Trump. It was always about keeping the Democrats supporting a genocide. When I have to make this point again, I'll be referencing this thread.
you sure did the work for trump by attacking the democrats, i don't think he's gonna thank you though, and the damage on the US might well be permanent
do you think the US would have been better off with Harris?
Who is it that you think your rhetoric is working on?
Since its become clear that your only point in silencing dissent within the party was to keep the candidates support for a genocide in place, every continuance you offer simply affirms the, now demonstrated to be fact, assumption that you criticisms were always in bad faith.
Have you been banned for this racism before? If I dig into the details of your account, will I find out that this is a consistent pattern of behavior from you?
Edit: Bing bing bing bing! We have a winner:
i've noticed with fundamentalists that they can't answer direct questions
they live in a myopic fantasy world and can't acknowledge the consequences of their actions
if you do they lash out with baseless accusations
Baseless? My poor child, just click back a few threads. Your words are the basis. The things you do are the basis. The part where you equated being Gazan with being a terrorist, in a racist manner: thats the racism.
When you do that thing: its called racism. And it seems, by looking at your account, that you've been banned not only once, but many many times for demonstrating this kind of racism. Here is a link to you being banned for this specific form of racism, well, regularly: https://lemmy.world/modlog?userId=346837
I didn't ban you for racism. I didn't even know you had been banned for being racist against Palestinians until you outed yourself here, by being racist, and I looked further.
But again, I must say thank you. As you continue to behave as you are behaving here, you gather support to me, and diminish support from yourself. I appreciate you doing the work of convincing people to abandon your approach to politics, because it means I have to do far less. If you were able to better disguise your motives, this could actually be challenging. Thankfully, you aren't that subtle.
what racism?
do you work in a cinema, with this amount of projection...
thanks to you people are too worried about trump and putin to care about whatever extremist cause you're peddling
Bruh you've been banned no fewer than 8 times for racism.
You interchangeably use the word "Gazan" and "terrorist".
Which is like, terrible. But please, if you want precisely 0 people to ever even consider your stance or politics in good faith, continuing putting yourself on display. Because its working. You'll have driven literally everyone away from your positions with this approach to rhetoric. My role in this is to keep you going, to continue to put yourself on display. Because from my perspective, the more people who understand that by adopting your approaches to politics and strategy, that they are supporting racism; that its not in good faith: the easier it will be to convince them that they need to reject racism and demand better from candidates in the future. I'll be able to win the rhetorical hearts and minds, because it will be impeccably clear that your entire approach to politics is a flimsy veil for your racism.
It will be far easier to convince people to demand more from their candidates when I can show, that those arguing for us to simply "get in line and shut the fuck up" were actually deeply racist and only doing so to ensure that the candidate maintained a pro-genocide stance.
Every reply you offer, it gathers strength to my cause.
hmm that's not what the logs show
you made the racist inference not me
you're projecting again and throwing accusations because that's your only way of handling tough questions
Just in case you wise up and start deleting your comments to hide your racism, I want to make sure I screen cap it and post it so it can stay on display in perpetuity:
lol, like i said you made the racist inference not me
tell me your thoughts on october 7th
Are you ready for your ban yet? Or do you have some more racist venom you need to get out first?
what are your thoughts on october 7th?
and like all authoritarian fundamentalists you will oppress any dissenting voices
even if they're not racist
i guess you have no opinion on october 7th, that's an easy one for you to answer no?
Edit:
Looks like you done son. Stay down next time I knock yo' ass out:
you stopped responding a long time ago because you can't
in one of the previous conversations i had talked about south africa. that was my favorite conversation i had; was actually in c/Palestine
i think a much more applicable case is northern ireland
do you see that as a path to peace?
You just a racist trying to keep the Dem's racist. You gave up the game son.
it's what you did 12 months ago that i am pointing out
everybody has a history as you have made clear
12 ago I was advocating the Democrats campaign in such a way the could win the election.
You were advocating that the Democrats stay racist, so that you could still vote for racism, even if it cost Democrats the election.
It was never about winning for you: It was about keeping the Democrats racist.
so you admit don't vote for the democrats same as now, less votes for democrats means a vote for who?
no racism you finally remember how you made gaza a race thing
you remeber that wow
Its pure racism bruh.
All you did here was show what you are really about.
I thank you for that, because the next time you pipe up in a thread, I'll be able to just drop this thread so that people can readily dismiss you for the racist piece of shit that you are.
You didnt care if Democrats won or lost: you just needed them to stay racist, and keep them supporting a genocide.
again you're projecting your antisemitism. everyone has to be racist
anyway i'm more interested in you peace plan