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All I meant by "the left" was EVERYBODY who is not MAGA.
And we can make them care about being called Traitors when we make it clear that it isn't hyperbole, it isnt rhetoric, it isnt partisan gamesmanship, it means we think they are true criminal Traitors to America, and will be called to account for their Sedition. The leadership, anyone who is elected, should absolutely be charged for their crimes. So should many street level MAGAs, like the J6 traitors, and anyone who gets violent between now and then. The rest should feel so uncomfortable that they want to leave America, and they can go live in Russia.
so... I don't even know where to start with all the problems with this. I'm just going to tell you that this is a very bad idea and you need to fucking stop immediately. you're playing into their hands so hard.
traitors to what? why the fuck should I care?
yeah, nobody cares. they were saying that before I was born, during reagan's attempted genocide of my people. nobody. fucking. cared. nobody has ever cared. nobody will ever care.
americans like to dismiss and not think about problems. it's kind of their whole deal. 'hyperbole' is just an excuse. they don't actually care whether it is. they care whether they can keep ignoring it. okay, so, they're traitors. what now? why should the average american give a shit about whatever the fuck that means?
oh honey. there's two ways this ends: the nazis kill us, or we kill them. if they leave, we need to hunt them down. they know this. please catch the fuck up.
I'm not only caught up, I've been ahead of the curve for years. I'm a history grad, and I've been making the Nazi comparisons for years, because it was clear as day to me that they were following the Nazi playbook. Now it's finally clear to everyone else, too.
I don't understand what your issue is. We are actually on the same side, but your are somehow fixated on the word Left. Calm down.
ALL MAGAs are Traitors to America and the Constitution, and they should have that label tattooed on their foreheads.
The constitution has mostly allowed for this to happen unimpeded. We need something new, evidence based and up to date for this absolutely new paradigm we find ourselves in, that meets as many of the needs of every person who lives here as possible.
what's the fascination with america and the constitution? why do those things matter? what is the emotional impact on the average american? why does anyone care?
the questions aren't just criticism; I'm genuinely trying to work through a thing with you.
and please, stop calling everyone the left. maybe start calling land-reform democratic socialists 'the mostly reasonable center right'. americans like to be in the middle. they're cowards. they don't actually like conflict they don't know they're gonna win.
What are you talking about? The entire thread is about America, and the new regime violating the Constitution. That's what this thread is about, that's why the "fascination."
Americans care about the Constitution because its guided our nation since its founding, and it is considered sacrosanct. The new administration is simply ignoring it, and doing whatever they want, which is far too close to the Nazi playbook for comfort. Not only are Americans upset about it, the entire world should be upset about it.
And again, that focus on the word Left, which I seldom use, and almost didn't in this case. All I meant by the word Left was anyone who isn't MAGA, because that's how MAGA sees the world. If you aren't MAGA, you are on "The Left."
There's a special congressional election near me, and the candidates include a rare non-MAGA candidate. The opposition attack ads are painting him as a "Liberal" and "RINO," when he is just as conservative as any Republican, he's just anti-HitlerPig.
I understand that Left means something different in Europe, but this thread is about American politics, so I used the word Left in an American political context. It's weird that there is so much focus on a single word, instead of my actual message.
I have to ask, are you literally a child?
I guarantee you that American leftists are not going to like the idea of being thrown in jail for treason because they don't consider the constitution "sacrosanct".
HitlerPig is the name that the younger staffers in the Biden White House called him. I find it simultaneously insulting, humorous, and accurate. HitlerPig loves to give insulting names to others, so he should be happy to have one of his own. I dont need your permission or approval to use it, and i will continue to alternate between HitlerPig and Agent Krasnov, the designation he was given by his Soviet KGB handlers when they turned him during his visit to Moscow in 1987.
Again with obsession with the word "Left." In America, it only means "Not Right." It does not have the levels of nuance that it has in Europe and other places.
In America, even "The Left" holds our Constitution sacrosanct, because it is intended to protect their interests as much as those they oppose. The Constitution is the reason any sort of opposing political philosophy or lifestyle is allowed to exist, and even extremists of both sides understand this on a fundamental level. The difference is the Right wants to limit the Constitution protection for anyone but themselves, while the Left is willing to allow it to protect all viewpoints.
"The Left" you describe, those who would oppose even the Constitution, are not "The Left," they are anarchists, they are a very tiny sliver of American society. Anarchy is more of a European concept than an American one. It is very rarely discussed, or even mentioned in America. It effectively does not exist here.
So you are literally a child then?
No, but with your insistence on this stupid point of discussion, apparently you are.
The Conservative Propaganda Machine uses insults routinely to dehumanize their opponents, and I am simply fighting fire with fire. Thats not childish, its strategic.
Grow up Junior, we're at War, name-calling isn't the problem.
Yeah, definitely a child
okay but why is it good rhetoric?
outline why anyone cares. define it so you know why it works, or if you can pick out why it has any value, and refine that into something better. or throw it away because it's useless.
so. why the constitution? why the 'traitor'? why should the average american care? you're not convincing me with rhetoric anything like this; I'm disgusted by it, im never going to be convinced, and I'm already pretty intensely anti fascist.
so, in my view? the constitution is a roll of toilet paper the supreme court has wiped their ass with for a century, and it's all horrifying. except the second amendment, which is a cum sock for nazis, and the thirteenth amendment, which is an excuse to keep doing slavery.
how does it touch our lives? what is the actual effect? what's the impact of the betrayal here?
okay. that's how MAGA sees 'left'. but they see it that way because it's productive for their goals to see it that way. stop yielding to them. the way you use language shapes the use of language. be more conscious and careful, because 'you don't need to be some radical left anarcho-communist to think this is fucked'; you're undercutting your own message by calling everyone left of otto skorzeny 'left'.
I honestly don't understand what you are talking about. You obviously dont understand what the Constitution is, and how important it is to America. It is the American governmental rulebook, literally the Government itself, and EVERY elected official takes an oath similar to this one:
See that part about defending the CONSTITUTION "against all enemies, foreign and domestic?" Defending the Constitution, not America, is literally the primary responsibility of all elected officials. That should illustrate how important it is to all Americans, and why it is alarming when an administration chooses to ignore it, as well as the judges, courts and legal decisions that service the Constitution. They are literally tossing aside the rule book that has defined America, and inspired the constitutions of hundreds of governments, for the last (nearly) 250 years, in favor of an new, undefined, authoritarian government that exists for the benefit of the wealthy.
Beyond that, if you still don't get it, you are simply being obtuse, and not worth further clarification.
okay, but why does that, like, matter? what is the emotional impact on an average american, how does it connect to their daily life? the more you have to explain, the less any of it matters. I know, it's frustrating.
but we all do that every day. theirs is just older and the original was in a museum until nicholas cage stole it during the filming of a movie (not that one).
okay, but outline to people at large why this matters to their daily lives. remember-the more you need to explain to link it to whatever they do on an average day, the less it will matter to them generally.
I don't think most people really believe in any rules or explicit ideas. most people run on pure vibes.
"you mean those things that tell me to eat shit when a cop gives me a bogus traffic ticket, and have literally never helped me in my life?" -most americans
this isn't about me getting it. this is about me trying to help make your message land literally once. I think I roughly agree with your general sentiment already, and your words still feel like nothing to me. im trying to help you refine your message.
remember; you can't talk to MAGAs; language isn't the same thing to them as it is to us. they do not communicate; they coordinate, exchange checksums, and attack. unless you're trying to mitm that shit, there is no point. don't try and talk to them like people.
Forget it, you must not be American, so you dont understand anything about America.
America and the Constitution are essentially the same thing, and you are demanding to know the emotional connection to a person's own nation. It's called Patriotism, and its why every Olympic medalist, from any country, gets choked up when they stand on the podium, as they represent their country in front of the entire world, as their national anthem plays.
That's all. All citizens generally love their country, unless they've been fed a steady diet of propaganda which has twisted their minds into believing that destroying the country they love is somehow patriotism. Like them, you obviously don't understand the true concept of Patriotism.
And I am not interested in my message landing with MAGAs. They are ignorant, weak-minded, susceptible to obvious propaganda, and have no critical thinking skills. I have long given up on persuading them. They are now simply in the way, and should stay out of the way as we take back our government, or suffer the same consequences as the MAGANazi leadership is going suffer.
And by the way, you disengenuously QUOTED me as saying that they have "violated the EULA of their job," which is a phrase I never said, and don't agree with. Their oath of office is not a EULA, it is an OATH, and it carried legal obligations and responsibilities that can land you in prison if they are violated. Or at least it's supposed to work that way, if the Dems had any spine at all to play Hard Ball, and enforce the law.
I'm not, but I was born there, and only been out a couple times.
okay, so why does 'america' matter to people in their actual daily life? like, drive this home. this is what matters. do you just have flag fucker bullshit, an abstraction that never actually means anything to most people who aren't frothing fascists? something basically nobody under 40 has been proud of a single time in our lives?
how is it mine, dude? what about it is mine? where is my mark? except on its face where I had to punch it that one time? make me care in 180 characters or less. then link that to the price of eggs or something in the same amount of space.
okay, how? EULA's do all the things you said, in theory. you're making it sound like EULA's are the more serious of the two by very very far
they do. remember how viciously they ratfuck every progressive? they have plenty of spine. they're just okay with this
they have. they just enforced the actual law, what the laws are actually for, not the fairytale bullshit they tell the cattle.
I don't get who your target audience is here. all the hardcore flag fuckers are 1. mostly disingenuous and 2. on the other side of this.
I'm bored. Go away.
sure, I just... I want you to be effective here. I think most people don't actually believe in anything, my stuff or yours. I'd rather they buy my stuff, but if they buy yours... that's fine I guess. I just want it to actually work.
Least fascist blueMAGA cultist.
Yes, I'm sure you'll have a not of luck defeating fascism by declaring "having the wrong politics" to be legally treasonous
Some political philosphies need to be destroyed. Nazism is one of them. Germany was able to purge Nazism from their nation, and survive as a productive nation of the world, with the help of the United States and the Nuremburg Trials, and we will have to be courageous enough as a nation to do the same thing.
Ok, but you're not talking about purging Nazism, you're talking about arresting your political enemies for "treason".
MAGA is just re-branded Nazism, they are the exact same thing. MAGA is nothing more than a highly financed criminal enterprise, and should be illegal. They should be treated exactly the same as any violent street gang, or the Mafia.
I do not advocate locking people up for their political affiliations, but they should be locked up for their actual crimes, and the lists of HitlerPig's crimes, and those of his family and henchmen are long. Planning, leading, promoting, rallying, and launching an Insurrection is a CRIME, and all those involved should be held to account for it. The False Electors Plot was a crime, and all involved should be hrld to account for it. Stealing hundreds of classified documents is a crime, and all those involved should be held to account for it.
There are many more crimes that we all saw with our own eyes, so many that HitlerPig would spend the rest of his life shuttling between his prison cell and courtrooms. That would be fine with me, but it would probably be better for America if he just gets convicted of enough of his crimes to put him away until his death, with no access to any media.
I don't want anyone to go to prison for their politics, just their crimes. Dont you think criminals should be held accountable for their crimes? If a Democrats stole hundreds of classified documents, would you forgive them and vote for them?
Why are MAGAs so soft on crime?