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Stunning Signal leak reveals depths of Trump administration’s loathing of Europe (www.theguardian.com)

submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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From the Article:

“If you think we should do it let’s go. I just hate bailing Europe out again,” Vance replied. Hegseth agreed that “I fully share your loathing of European free-loading. It’s PATHETIC.” But, he added, “we are the only ones on the planet (on our side of the ledger) who can do this.”

Miller, the Trump confidant, effectively ended the conversation by saying that the president had been clear. “Green light, but we soon make clear to Egypt and Europe what we expect in return.”

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (4 children)

@nuko147 @Damage Bullshit... The Americans were the first ones to kick the anthill... Yes, you could blame us for standing by and watching them do it and sometimes even helping, but that's what you do when your (back then) friend asks you for help.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Everyone has a moral obligation to decline immoral orders let alone immoral requests. "Just following orders" doesn't cut it.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

@Reddfugee42 Who said anything about that? The world isn't black & white you know? As much as it would simplify things, life isn't simple and never will be. Good things were done during that alliance as well as bad things. I was just pointing out who started it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

I mean, you did, when you said "you could blame us for helping but that's what friends do"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

There are no friends between countries. Only allies and benefits. You don't shoot your legs for an ally. Help is another thing. We were supposed to be allies, but the USA überall is their new motto.

Fucking up Libya, destroying Yugoslavia, maintaining a chaos in Palestine - Israel, help invade Iraq with lies, cut ties with Russia and let Ukraine to get invaded are not things you do even for friends.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Yes, you could blame us for standing by and watching them do it and sometimes even helping, but that's what you do when your (back then) friend asks you for help.

If you help your friend kill millions of people and keep a region where hundreds of millions live because "a friend asked you for help" then guess what? You fucking deserve the consequences.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

You mean when your boss tells you to. Western Europe was colonized after WW2, not to the same dire consequences of the Warsaw pact, but we clearly were subordinate to the US.