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Israel is a fascist apartheid state committing genocide. Police violently cracking down on anti-israel / anti-zionist speech is also fascist. You are conflating anti-zionism with anti-semitism, which is genuine anti-semitism. Anti-zionism calls for the end to genocide and for Palestinians emancipation.
Zionism is about Settler Colonialism and Ethnic Cleansing of native Palestinians, it is not reflective of Judaism nor is it representative of Jewish people. Anti-zionism is not anti-semitism. The conflation of the two is genuinely antisemitic, as it falsely attributes the actions of Israel to all Jewish people.
Zionism is anti-Semitic at it's core, it other-izes Jewish people, and justifies the violent settler colonialim of Israel as in the defense of all Jewish people, which only serves to further fuel genuine Antisemitism at the expense of Jewish people globally. Zionism is also an inherently fascist ideology. The ethnic cleansing of the native people of Palestine has always been fundamental since it's inception as a colonialist movement.
Adi Callai, an Israeli, does a great analysis of how Antisemitism has been weaponized by Zionism during its history.
here's a video on the history of palestine, you can decide for yourself if the jews have a right to live in palestine, have a right to a state in palestine, have a right to return to palestine and how long the conflict has been going on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv8F4NLr4E0
Benny Morris is a Zionist who justifies and supports the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. If you are genuinely interested in the full story, you should at the least read the works of anti-zionist Historians as well
Gaza Infographics
Historian Works on the History
Palestine: A Four Thousand Year History - Nur Masalha
The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948 - Nur Masalha
A History of Modern Palestine - Ilan Pappe
The Hundred Years' War on Palestine - Rashid Khalidi
The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine - Ilan Pappe
The 1967 Arab-Israeli War: Origins and Consequences - Avi Shlaim
The Biggest Prison on Earth: A History of the Occupied Territories - Ilan Pappe
The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-development - Sara Roy
10 Myths About Israel - Ilan Pappe (summery)
The Birth of Israel Myths and Realities - Simha Flapan
Documentaries
A shocking insight into Israel's Apartheid | Roadmap to Apartheid | Full Film
Palestine 101 with Abby Martin
Life in Occupied PALESTINE by Anna Baltzer
How Israeli Apartheid Destroyed My Hometown
The Gaza Ghetto Uprising
Anti-Semitism, Weaponized.
One year of Israel’s war on Gaza: Al Jazeera special coverage
Palestine 1920: The Other Side of the Palestinian Story | Al Jazeera World Documentary
any proof he's a zionist, or just doesn't agree with you
Did you not even bother to read the paragraphs I quoted? You have no clue what you're talking about
honestly don't see this in all that stuff you copy pasted
you conflate zionist with the mania of this last war, zionist used to just mean jews that want their own country
morris acknowledges the bad that was done in the war that led to the naqba, but saw it as the only option where the palestinians would never settle for peace and hadn't done for 20 years
No it doesn't, as discussed at length in the first section you didn't read twice. You have no clue what you're talking about. It's not a copypasta if I'm the one who read all the sources I sourced and provided relevant paragraphs and links all of which I've personally read, genius.
what is discussed at length? palestinians not making peace?
Maybe read it before you try to argue stuff that's already within the damn reply
https://lemmy.world/comment/15619463
what exactly in what i said is discussed at length?
No, Zionism has always been about the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians since it's inception. Partition was a deliberate tactic to set the stage for plan dalet which was also planned. You keep repeating these myths. Section 2, Partition, shows how the Nakba was not "the only option" it was intentional. I provided multiple books that go into depth exactly how these myths are untrue and don't reflect the reality of the history.
when the ottoman empire was defeated both the arabs and the jews suddenly realised they had a chance of their own state
the arabs started attacking the british and the jews and the jews started attacking the british and the arabs
finally the british left and it was the arabs vs the jews
the arabs lost, big time, and kept losing for the next 80 years
i'm sure i can find a couple of books that say that as well
Sure, books written by Zionists who see Palestinians as subhuman. Good for you. Enjoy justifying ethnic cleansing and genocide. You clearly have no interest in human rights or the reality of Israel Palestine.
quite the opposite; there's lots of non-genocidal zionists that wish october 7th had never happened and the war had never happened and wish the settlers in the west bank were in jail
but they are also sick and tired of the palestinian militant zealots pretending they and the surrounding arab states are just the victims for 100 years
for peace to happen both sides need to dig deep into reality
No, there isn't. All zionists support the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. If they didn't, they would be anti-zionists. Of which there are a few hundred of within Israel. If they genuinely wanted peace and an end to the anti-apartheid resistance, they would end the fucking apartheid.
a few hundred, lol, that's very accurate!
neither side genuinely wants peace, they're still at war, there are still hostages
Hamas proposed a full prisoner swap as early as Oct 8th, and agreed to the US proposed UN Permanent Ceasefire Resolution. Additionally, Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place.
Israel has never had interest in peace, you fail to comprehend that.
they better update that charter again to catch up with whatever they made up this week
i'm guessing you want the struggle to carry on because daddy putin needs it to use antisemitism to his advantage around the world
Fuck Putin and fuck you. I don't support any fascist.
depends on the kind of anti-zionism
"destroy israel" for example is genocidal
palestinians and israeli's have been trying to genocide eachother for about a hundred years
That's completely false and a common hasbara talking point to justify the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.
The Concept of Transfer in Zionist Political Thought goes back to 1882
Partition
Under Occupation
Hamas began twenty years into the occupation during the first Intifada, with the goal of ending the occupation. Collective punishment has been a deliberate Israeli tactic for decades with the Dahiya doctrine. Violence such as suicide bombings and rockets escalated in response to Israeli enforcement of the occupation and apartheid.
Hamas 1988 Charter and Revised 2017 Charter
The 1988 Charter, which is certainly unreasonable in its fundamentalism with Sharia Law and is antisemitic, does not call for the extermination of all Jewish People. Hamas wants an end to Israel as an Apartheid State, not an extermination of all Israelis. Under Ahmed Yassin in the 1990's, truces were offered in exchange for Israeli to withdrawal from Gaza and the West Bank to the 1967 borders. The 2017 Revised charter explicitly accepts a Two-State Solution of the 1967 Borders. Check Article 7 and 13 of the 1988 Charter to see yourself, compare it to Article 20 and 24-26 in the revised charter.
The slogan From the River to the Sea is about Palestinian liberation that started in the 60s by the PLO for a democratic secular state, not Genocide. The Syrian leader Hafez al-Assad in 1966 maybe, but he's not Palestinian.
History of Hamas supported by Netanyahu since 2012
morris doesn't say that palestine belongs to the jews, he quite clearly states lots of people have lived there over the years mostly under muslim empires but also a jewish country that was ethnically cleansed by the romans
oh and hamas started with the aim of destroying israel. genocide
Like I said, he is a Zionist who justifies the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, as you can clearly see in both the previous quote and the one I just sent to your other comment.
Again, as I pointed out in the last section of the previous reply, "destroying Israel" has always meant ending the Apartheid and Settler Colonialist Occupation of Zionism. It has never meant the Genocide of Jewish people nor Israelis. That is complete projection from the mentality of the occupiers who have been ethnically cleansing Palestinians for more than 76 years.
lol from the Hamas Covenant 1988
destroy and obliterate could easily be interpreted as defensive, progressive action, let's all just get along, right?
JFC, that's discussed at length in the section you didn't read twice
which bit
See Under Occupation
so they took the obliteration thing out and accepted the 1967 borders in 2017
congratulations, only 50 years too late, after 50 years of attacks
and then went mental in 2023
these guys really have peace in mind
they completely reject the israeli state and expect palestine to cover the whole land
that isn't happening
no peace as usual
The Israeli state is and has always been about the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. Of course Palestinians aren't going to accept being ethnically cleansed from their homes. Palestinians want emancipation and equal rights. Israel has never wanted peace. You're clearly a Zionist, which is fascist, since you keep repeating their propaganda even in the face of evidence that debunks it completely.
Settlements and Occupation
Israel justifies the settlements and military bases in the West Bank in the name of Security. However, the reality of the settlements on-the-ground has been the cause of violent resistance and a significant obstacle to peace, as it has been for decades.
This type of settlement, where the native population gets 'Transferred' to make room for the settlers, is a long standing practice.
The mass ethnic cleansing campaign of 1948:
Further, declassified Israeli documents show that the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip were deliberately planned before being executed in 1967:
While the peace process was exploited to continue de-facto annexation of the West Bank via Settlements
The settlements are maintained through a violent apartheid that routinely employs violence towards Palestinians and denies human rights like water access, civil rights, etc. This kind of control gives rise to violent resistance to the Apartheid occupation, jeopardizing the safety of Israeli civilians.
Apartheid Evidence
Amnesty Report
Human Rights Watch Report
B'TSelem Report with quick Explainer
Visualizing the Ethnic Cleansing
your brain will never be able to conceive of peace because anyone that disagrees with you is immediately a nazi
and what would you do with your day without the struggle, comrade
Walk like a duck, quack like a duck. There is no way to justify the Fascism that is Occupation, Apartheid, and Genocide that isn't fascist.
and how do you justify the international terrorism, suicide bombings, rocket attacks?
what word is burned into your brain for that?
I don't justify it. I understand that it comes from having no options available in the face of extermination. You have no conception of anti-colonial violence. I understand that to end anti-colonial violence requires an end to the colonial violence.
I could much more easily call Israel a terrorist state, and by looking at cases of actual acts of terror, it's clear that Israel does magnitudes more. But while acknowledging acts of terrorism is important, giving the label of terrorist to an entire group is not really useful. It's mostly use to de-legitimize acts of resistance against colonialism and occupations. Such is the case with Ireland, Vietnam, Algeria, South Africa, and many more.
Both the Occupier and the Occupied can and do use acts of terrorism to further their aims, but the aims are diametrically opposed. The aim of the occupier is to continue the occupation, that requires violence to maintain, and ethnic cleansing. The aim of the occupied is to end the occupation, by any means possible, and gain emancipation. We see that one is a reaction to the other, Israel's perpetual violence towards native peoples is the underlying cause of these conflicts. Solutions to ending the violence of anti-colonialism can only come from ending the underlying violence of the colonialism.
We see that permanent occupation develops into an Apartheid, as the settlers / occupiers have rights upheld by the State and Military, while the natives / occupied have no rights and subjected to violence from both the Settlers and Military. The State, who holds the monopoly on power, uses terrorism to suppress resistance to the occupation in order to maintain it. The occupied, having no power, uses terrorism as a means to resist the occupation.
Israel has no interest in peace, it has interest in land grabbing, which is in complete opposition to peace. This is fundamental to Zionism. Which is why an end to Zionism and a regime change, where a Secular Bi-National One-State that gives equal rights to Palestinians and Israelis is the only way for the conflict to really end. Not only with Palestinian resistance, but with all resistance groups that were created by Israeli occupation.
The existence of Hamas, and any armed resistance movement, is directly due to the decades of violence experienced daily under the permanent occupation, the Apartheid State, of Israel. It's impossible to understand their existence if you don't understand the lived experience and material conditions they are forced to live under. There is no such thing as a perfect victim when it comes to anti-Colonialist resistance, not for the Vietcong, the IRA, or the ANC either. Can you condemn the violence of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising in the same way as the violence of the Warsaw Ghetto?
In the Shadow of the Holocaust by Masha Gessen, the situation in Gaza is compared to the Warsaw Ghettos. The comparison was also made by a Palestinian poet who was later killed by an Israeli airstrike. Adi Callai has also written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video
Adi Callai has also done a great analysis of how Antisemitism has been weaponized by Zionism during its history, as well as an analysis of Franz Fanon and Identity Politics in the context of Colonialism and Anti-colonialism.
Watch those videos before you respond
you really can't get it into your head that the jews lived there for thousands of years and still lived there at the beginning of this century
you're so antisemitic
they are not colonisers
I, nor Palestinians have any problems with Jewish people living in Palestine. You continue to conflate Jewish people in general with Zionists. The problem is with the Settler Colonialism, the cornerstone of Zionism. Read the book by Nur Masalha, which details the history of Palestine in the past 4000 years.
You can't be fucking serious. Zionism was explicitly started as a settler Colonialist project. It began with settlements that displaced Palestinians, it has never stopped settling and displacing Palestinians, neither within Israel prior to 1967 or the West Bank after 1967. Which you would have picked up if you engaged with the damn sources instead of acting confidently incorrect because you're terrified that you may be wrong.