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well Firefox may enshittify, it's still the best option imo, certainly better than chrome or anything chrome based. even better if you use a privacy focused fork like librewolf.
there are other options out there, you can look into qt browsers, those were the basis for webkit browsers. hopefully soon things like servo/verso become more useable.
I've never heard of qt browsers, or servo/verso. I'll give it a look, seems like I have a few rabbitholes to explore
Servo is an experimental browser engine developed by Mozilla Research using Rust to enhance performance, safety, and parallel processing in modern web rendering. The project showcased features like a concurrent layout system and asynchronous JavaScript execution.
Around 2017, Mozilla shifted focus to other projects and laid off several developers, leading to the gradual abandonment of Servo. However, a dedicated community later formed the Servo 501(c)(3) nonprofit to continue developing Servo’s technology and ideas.
Verso is an experimental browser built on top of the Servo browser engine. Currently, both softwares are experimental and pre-alpha developer software at best.
IIRC some parts of that project were integrated into Firefox rendering engine. Was it layouting or something?
Here it is:
Yes, some parts of the project were integrated into Gecko. But the project itself was abandoned. The original goal was to replace Gecko, not to patch some parts of it.
The UX of Librewolf sucks ass though. Want to change this setting? Well you can't, too bad.
How the UX of librewolf is different from the UX of Firefox?
A lot of options are disabled for “privacy reasons”. There is no halfway approach. It’s all or nothing with their strict privacy settings.
For some, that’s perfect. For others, who want a more tailored privacy experience, it’s not a really great option.
It doesn't suck, it's just not intended for casual users, which is why I chuckle when I see it recommended. That and Mullvad browser. I'd pretty much just recommend TOR over those, if you're really going for strict privacy.
For something that strikes a good balance, I use Zen.
Sucks they're not close to as secure as chromium based browsers. Where's my privacy and security first browser ☹️ Vandium is the only thing close to that. Can't wait for desktop version.
As @[email protected] said, default Firefox is still more private than Chrome. Also, if you want security (and more privacy) on top of that, you should look into LibreWolf. I've been using it for a few years now and it's fantastic!
I don't know if it is due to some sort of baggage from using the Mozilla Sync service or what, but librewolf without Mozilla Sync is faster for use than Mozilla Firefox is for some reason.
I only swapped over a few days ago, but the speed up was big enough for it to be apparent to me.
Just not what I've read from security engineers or other sources like GrapheneOS devs. A lot of the flaws on mobile also apply to desktop. Just turns out engineering man power is a huge deal for secure browsers.
What you read is true, and also total nonsense.
There is not too much point in discussing privacy and security without a threat model.
So once you put your threat model into focus, you can discuss how to mitigate those threats and pick the right browser for you.
Well, I'm talking about my use case which involves my own threat model. Regardless if it matches yours or not, it's still a complain I can share about the current state of browsers.
Firefox is more private than chrome, chrome had more security updates, but Firefox is not far behind by any means.
Like I said, security is what I'm talking about. Brave browser, as much as I dislike the company is the best compromise when looking for both.
What about the Mullvad browser?
I don't like their lettering feature at all, and I don't like that I don't have the option to disable it if I want.
Great for anonymity but has the same security baggage that gecko based browsers havem