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Stopping the war was as easy as the peace he tried to accept 1 month after the war. Ukraine neutrality (no NATO). Russia had very reasonable red lines to not do SMO.
Zelensky/US refusing to talk to (dismissing their security concerns) Russia provoked the war. There was also the disrespect of increasing terrorism/massacres on Donbas with Russian troops lined up at the border.
Well, every ceasefire agreement was broken by Russia - which talks where started by Ukraine. So it's not like, they refuse to talk.
How can Ukraine trust them without having security guarantees like from e.g. NATO?
And there is still the thing, that Russia was actually responsible as well, to guarantee peace in Ukraine, after they gave up their nuclear weapons.
I think, it's very hard to trust a neighbour as a partner, when he seem to not value any agreement at all.
The peace deal discussions all seem to just end in "give Russia everything they want, else you're a war monger".
That can't be a reasonable position for a sovereign state to trust in a peace agreement, without having any guarantees.
One of the most pathetic and blatant lies from Zelensky at WH meeting. Nazi paramilitaries were massacring ethnic regions of Ukraine who opposed the apartheid laws. Persecuted ethnic Russian Ukrainians were not under Putin rule and may very well have different naratives of who broke ceasefires during their suffering from nazi evil directly meant to provoke Russian SMO.
The refusal to talk was when Russia was setting red lines for its security. US/NATO very proud of provoking the war by ignoring Russia.
You can only live a happy life if a nazified Ukraine joins NATO to have US nuclear missile bases there? That is entirety of this war.
2013 Ukraine peacefully cooperated with Russia, and freely sought EU trade relationship.
Even if that was all true, which I can't verify, it still doesn't make it right to preventive invade a country.
Where was the security risk for Russia? Nobody wanted or wants to invade Russia.
How is the life for people in the east of Ukraine better now. If they were Russian sympathisers, most of them got killed or raped now.
How is making a massacre in e.g. Bucha some kind of liberation?
I'm sorry, but Russia is just not the victim here.
I do get, that geopolitical affairs are never really white and black, but painting an aggressive invasion in an preemptive strike on a neighbour country, because you want to safe some people, that you care about, is just bullshit.
Or do the Russians kill all this people because of the good in their hearts?
This is just imperialism, like the US was arguing about weapons of mass destruction to invade and overthrow a sovereign country.
All those shitheads in their cabinets don't give a shit about the lives of normal people. They care about access to resources and political power - and obviously money.
It's just the same again, like Nazi Germany argued, that they are freeing the suppressed German minorities in Poland.
They didn't care about the people as well...
it does 100%. As in Cuba 1962. https://lemmy.ca/post/40224482
Absurd. US/NATO has always wanted to destroy Russia. Like the missiles in Cuba, its more "Fuck you and do what I tell you" destruction instead of invasion.
Ok, that's nothing I can morally get behind with
Just the same imperial bullshit like every other big nation is doing...
Although seemingly with the ethics from 50-100 years ago.
I'd have hoped, that we have gotten better.
Evil comes from power, and the greatest evil from the greatest power. Complete disrespect and dismissal of Russia forced it to resist great evil. It is simply wrong to attribute Imperial status to it.
So, attacking Georgia was also just self defence, because Russia is always somehow the victim and just wants to make things right?
That's a bit much in my book
Russia obviously has imperialistic motives, Putin himself even said, that he wants to build up the USSR again.
Of course they're imperialistic.
And I'm very sure, they won't stop at Ukraine.
That is a trope that doesn't mean invading for no reason. The US wants to build a manufacturing base again. Also what he actually said that its too bad the USSR disolved. Times were better then.
He actually said, that he wants to rebuild Russia to the old USSR size and it was a failure to let it break apart
And still, why did he attack Georgia?
Should we just let Russia attack other nations randomly, because somehow their nostalgic feelings get hurt or they somehow feel misunderstood and threatened?
There were many approaches to talks before the invasion and Russia always just talked about a training - until they actually invaded.
How should we deal with someone who constantly breaks his word?
(Same thing for the USA, but that's another topic)
Same story of CIA puppetry causing a separatist movement. Ukrainian nazi got power in Georgia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikheil_Saakashvili
He shit disturbed country enough to create secessionist movement that Russia chose to defend.
Dead wrong. They were serious about red lines.
You have to distinguish between Ukrainian nazi BS accusations of breaking his word, and facts. Facts require looking at world from all sides.
So, poor Russia always got tricked into needing to invade foreign sovereign states, to save the people there and itself with it?
Oh come on...
I don't believe in fairy tales
Edit: and so Europes defense plans are a threat against Russia as well?
https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-vladimir-putin-eu-defense-plans-kremlin-retaliatory-measures/
So, we must not prepare to possibly defend ourselves, because else we will get attacked?
And if not, well then we're easier to take over...
Great logic here
picking a side in civil war is also what they did in Afghanistan. US puppeteering civil wars in ex CIS states is something you should focus on more.
I'm not picking a side
I'm saying that Russias politics are full of shit, just like the US counterparts.
Just don't paint the Russian aggression as a happy liberation thing, while they kill thousands of people.
Same shit the USA does with their "democracy" the bring to 3rd world countries.
So, if you want to blame the USA for their shit, you can't just say, that Russia is just happily trying to survive. They're doing the exact same shit
Imperialism is imperialism.
Edit: maybe you missed my update to my last answer, so here again:
and so Europes defense plans are a threat against Russia as well?
https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-vladimir-putin-eu-defense-plans-kremlin-retaliatory-measures/
So, we must not prepare to possibly defend ourselves, because else we will get attacked?
And if not, well then we're easier to take over...
Great logic here