Title text: No, we actually do have a woman who's basically part of our fellowship. She lives in Rivendell, you wouldn't know her.
this post was submitted on 01 Aug 2023
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"Why are there no women or children in this band of medieval warriors? Social and societal division of labour, what's that?"
The idea that female medieval warriors only exist in fantasy is made up by misogynists to gate keep female representation.
Here is a list of named women that participated in battle. Keep in mind that this is just the tip of the iceberg given the erasure of women in history
Joan of Arc Eleanor of Aquitaine Æthelflæd Artemisia I of Caria Zenobia Matilda of Tuscany Margaret of Anjou Tomoe Gozen Grace O'Malley Isabella I of Castile Fu Hao Teuta Joanna of Flanders Lozen Jeanne Hachette Caterina Sforza Khawla bint al-Azwar Lagertha Sikelgaita Mavia Dihya Isabella of France
If you want women in your fantasy novels, why not - it's fantasy.
Let's be real though - sexual dimorphism is very pronounced in humans, and the women you listed were absolutely the exception. Militaristic societies overwhelmingly used men for fighting, if only because women were too valuable for their ability to bear children.
It's impossible to overstate the importance of women throughout history, but they don't have to have been physically fighting in wars for that to be the case.
People like you forget that the vast majority of men have never participated in war. Most men, like women, subsisted on manual labor.
Your 'sexual dimorphism' claims are a tale as old as time made by prejudiced anthropologists with the same pompous attitudes about gender. See this NPR article to get your facts straight.
None of this changes the fact that we are taking about fantasy, where female representation is deemed more far fetched by misogynists than the existence of elves and magic. Something that has literally never existed before somehow has more credibility and reason to exist than female combatants who have actually existed.
This is the state of gatekeeping in the fantasy genre. If you think that there isn't a problem, you are part of the problem.
Yes, you're very angry.
Reminder: Be civil. Less politics if you can't be civil, (no politics is probably a stretch).
At no point did I call him a pedophile.
Feel free to make up other shit while you're at it.
I said the words 'I am not a pedophile.' because I was being accused of 'getting on' on with children.
What's going on now?
He said, 'I'm sure we'd get on in person'. You clarified that you were calling him a child in a roundabout way.
You can block them on their profile on desktop at least, and probably elsewhere too.
You seem to have replied to me by the way. I hope I haven't been ranting.
Her comments are interesting, you should check out the mens liberation stuff. But that pedo comment was easily misconstrued, and she's been very defensive. She probably doesn't meet many people like feedum who have an interest in 'female spaces', 'historically accurate' females and are snarky, since those topics are generally politically anti-feminist.
I'm happy to ban people who break the rules too often, but I'd much prefer to have open discussion where everybody learns something or is entertained. The problem is finding the balance between toxicity and rule breaking versus the good stuff.
Goading people is incivil as well. And the comment you are incessantly discussing has been dealt with.
I strongly feel I'm being the civil one here.
You say, while graciously making sexist comments.
I'm sorry my words have upset you. We have a slight difference of opinion on something, and that's okay. I don't feel it would be productive to continue the discussion, but wish you the best in life nonetheless.
It's not clear what you're apologizing for. I do like how sexism has been reduced to 'a slight difference of opinion' now.
Funny how the discussion was considered productive when your response was 'Yes, you're very angry', and no longer productive when the misogyny was pointed out.
Calm down buddy your misogyny is showing.
Well, I'm sure we'd get on in person.
^Gaslight, control, dismiss, invalidate. Classic misogynist behavior.
Tone policing. It's not aggressive to make sexist claims. It's only aggressive to point them out.
Can you point to the part where I called him a pedophile?
All I said was that I don't date children.
Looks like he gets a free pass for sexism. Lemmy and it's 77% male userbase at its finest.
I know, never mind.
LOTR is not set in the medieval period. Its a made up era with made up cultures and made up magic. And if you're going to get all Thermian argument about it, LOTR lore has many female warriors.
Okay, thank you.
What does Thermian mean again?